So while streaming as a concept is a good one, there are competing variables that can make the end result hit and miss for a lot of users. And yes, that is a fact which seems to be an issue for some of the proponents of wireless streaming to accept.
You don't have to do it wirelessly, my most used Sonos is wired directly to my network, my wireless network has no involvement in my music streaming.
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Matt49 & the_LHC: yes, I understand the concept thanks, and use hardwired streaming functions too - see my post above for what and how I stream - but I can use services off my laptop if I wish. And indeed, Spotify stutters even with the hardwired connection too, so it's not solely down to wi-fi.
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Without using a PC (thought I made that clear enough...).
yes, but you have to look at screen of some sort...be it ipad or phone, and you are either sick of watching at some screen and not sick of looking at pc...nobody's looking at pc...pc is just a box of some sort and there are small pc as well...
i'm not looking at mine netbook as well...i fired up foobar and foobar remote on ipad and as long i'm listening music i dont look at netbook...and 10" screen comes handy if i want to tagging some music or such things...
Excuse me for changing tact slightly here, but I wonder if someone could tell me if there's such a thing as an Internet radio tuner... I'm not interested in playing HD music, I just want a good quality HiFi standard Internet tuner and apart from the pricey Magnum Dynalab, can't find anything else.
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How about a Sonos?!! Kill two birds with one box. Radio and somthing to try out all those Spotify tracks through those Harbeth's
Strange i did'nt think of the Sonos as a streamer.
Im fine by the way, Loving Kate Walsh, tryed the other albums but none as good as Light & Dark.
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You're not alone in that, it's always puzzled me though, I can't think of any other way of describing it.
rotel rt-12 and every network player out there...
Although arguably it's somewhat harder to find HiFi standard internet radio stations, with a very few honourable exceptions.
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The Marantz NA7004 may be worth a look as it would give you FM & DAB as well, so some fallback in case of Internet issues. Of course it's also a DAC & streamer but you could always ignore that for now.
Or in keeping with the "debate", you could run TuneIn on a PC/tablet/smartphone...
Quote: Although arguably it's somewhat harder to find HiFi standard internet radio stations, with a very few honourable exceptions.
Agreed. Big variations amongst the classic rock genre. Some are dire, but find 181.fm the eagle via tunein excellent - despite lowly 128kbps. Some of their source is HD and very few ads. Bad Company, Led Zep, Fleetwood mac and Cream in last hour plus US favs Tom Petty and Bob Seager. Excellent SQ via rPac to headphones.
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SBT is a very cost effective Internet radio solution IMHO if you can find one SH. Wired significantly better than wifi to my ears.
You say that like it's a good thing.
Not so much since they were discontinued. Fetching well over £200 on Ebay & it's anyone's guess how long Logitech will continue to support MySqueezebox.com. If/when that goes you will have to run a local server for Internet radio.
And Linn's streamers are decidedly different from all others in that it commands the media server to push the data towards it, whereas the others pull the data from the media servers.
This sentence alone shows how much you are letting the PR gibberish pull wool over your eyes. As anyone with any knowledge of networking protocols knows, that sentence is utter and total gibberish.
To simply equate streamers as PCs without external interfaces is patently rubbish - because this would be true of any electronic device.
No. Streamers have CPUs in them (usually as part of a "System on a Chip" or SoC design). This makes them computers, unlike many other electronic devices such as a traditional analogue amp. This is a fact, and not in any way detracting from what streamers are. The value of streamers is in that they are specialized SoCs. As a result they are lot more energy efficient (dissipating less heat!) than a full-fledged generic PC. Consequently, you can build them in them a smallish box with only passive cooling, which can be safely put in to a cabinet with the rest of the hifi kit.
I think streamers offer lots of value over playback through a PC, most in terms of convenience. I love sitting on my couch browsing with my laptop while my streamer (which I can control from said laptop, or from my phone) plays music on my hifi set.
However, if you are going to connect the streamer through an external DAC, there is no reason for it to cost thousands of GBP. The essential components cost a fraction of that. (A fully functional SoC streamer can be bought for 200 quid max.) Add a well engineered case and well-designed remote user interface, and I don't see ANY reason for a price tag over 1000 quid. (And I just love the people on here regurgitating the PR smoke that was blown up their ass, and violent defence of the ones that do.)
A modern amplifier will have a CPU too (this is a damn fact)! So it's a PC!
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As far as I can tell, it is not clear whether any streamers use Linux, or Windows or Unix blah blah blah - it's meaningless if they do or don't. And Linn's streamers are decidedly different from all others in that it commands the media server to push the data towards it, whereas the others pull the data from the media servers.
Can you expand on what you mean by Pushing data towards instead of pulling? You might say blah blah as to what it's running, but thae fact that it is running linux/windows inherently means it's a pc as it has to deal with networking protocols etc. These are usually embedded versions of the software stripped down and tailored to whatever people want them to do.
no, it's just a fact...
No it's not.
erm no, my amplifier is an electronic device but isn't a pc. Methinks you are trying to make everything absolute.
No, you're trying to make everything absolute. A modern amplifier will contain a CPU too. Also, what do you think Java runs on in Blu-ray players? Oh I forget - they're PCs too.
What has alienware got to do with naim? What do you think studois use to record albums on? Are you saying they should all be using hifi equipment?
You missed my point that there is custom software written in streamers, which takes them beyond being mere stripped down PCs.
That's just not true. You can load up windows, load say fubar and tell it to select your dac your output device and you're golden. Foobar is free.
You miss my point again. It's a fact that leaving PC output, at the OS level - which cannot be bypassed by the way be it ASIO etc, at high-res level may adversely affect the sound quality of standard 16/44 audio files, and vice versa.
yes it is as it has to deal with networks, codecs etc...
quite frankly, I don't listen to anything what hi fi have to say in the digital area as they like to apply outdated analogue stereo thinking in to the digital word.
What you miss is that every digital device like a DAC still needs a good analogue stage,
It's not a pain anymore if you can use the tied in apps for some bits of software. But yes, if people want a standalone box and a dedicated remote then a standalone streamer is the way to go. However you can't have it both ways and have a go at people who dismiss streamers, then go and dismiss pc's as source, it;s just makes you a hypocrite.
I did not dismiss PCs as a source - just as a high-res source because of all the faffing required - because you need to do the switching to preserve the sound quality. And those 'tied-in' apps will cost half of a midrange streamer. In this case I will gladly accept being called a 'hypocrite'.
Squeezebox software recently updated, so hopefully, being a decent Swiss company, they will continue to support their products. Hadn't realised that SH values on Ebay are more than I paid for it new 2 years ago. Can't say that about most Hifi products and speaks volumes.
They are to me. 181.fm has a range of stations from country to classical so I'm sure you will find one to suit. There is a comedy offering, but not sure if it covers monty python. free samples @
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