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So by more versatile you mean you have spare systems.  :roll:

 

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daveh75 wrote:

So by more versatile you mean you have spare systems.  :roll:

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Hi-Fi - Teufel DecoderStation 5 > AVI DM5

Head-Fi - Epiphany Acoustics EHP-O2Di > Sennheisser HD700

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I'm just speaking for myself, but before deciding on my new system, I want to hear it all: actives (in different varieties), panels, horns, single-driver vs two- vs three-ways, ribbon tweeters, transmission lines, CBTs, silk vs beryllium, you name it. And then valves (SET or push-pull), mosfet, class A or D, hybrids and what have you.

It'll take time, but it should be worth it. As for now, my No.1 is the AG Zero1: active, DSP-controlled, full range, horns, class A (and Hypex for the bass).

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Stop it.   Restart it.   Lock it.   Simples.   :help:

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daveh75 wrote:

So by more versatile you mean you have spare systems.  :roll:

 

No. I mean a spare part. :roll:

 

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It would be more hassle to sell them on eBay than the money I would get for them.  Arcam Alpha 2 (20 quid), Denon mini system receiver (nothing), Yamaha DSP-AX620 (50 quid).  I might press the Yamaha into service one day for surround (though it doesn't sound as good as a proper stereo amp*) if I can ever find the remote...

*YMMV

 

John Duncan you still own your AX-620?

Not sure if you've ever read me but I have long 'bigged up' this very amp, being a proud owner of one, paired with a pair of Mission 782se's. Now in my opinion its the best stereo amp I have ever heard, albeit my experience is limited reference the amount of amps I have heard..... doing a bit of 'reasearch' I picked up a few threads from the 00's in various forums that you were involved in ref this amp.

Could you do me a favour, if you have the time, could you string it up and let me know how it sounds compared with your current amp. I'm sure our speaker and source choices differ, but I'm curious. Having met other owners of this amp during my work and its sibbling the RX-620 they all say the same thing i.e its the best amp they've owned.

 

Any chance you could indulge me - use the digital coax if you use a cdplayer as the internal dac I believe is a good one, if you can't I understand, but if you would I would really appreciate your feed back - your "though it doesn't sound as good as a proper stereo amp"..... intrigues me, as in my home through my speakers it punches way above it prce grade.

If you could.

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Alec]</p> <p>[quote=Thompsonuxb wrote:

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Thompsonuxb]the active option is not being made difficult its in many cases&nbsp;not&nbsp;practical in the real world,<a href="mailto:David@frankharveys">[/quote</a> wrote:

 

Whatwhat?

 

And what are these active speakers of which you speak?

 

The ones that need a plug socke for each box....... :O

 

Ah. Just as I thought. And is that why you're saying they're not practical in the real world?

 

Er ...no.

but positioning is an issue with them,

How many of you active users are using full size speakers as opposed to mini monitors or desk top designs. And what type of actives are you using, master/slave types or speakers with their own built in amps and whats the proximity of these speakers from the source, are they less than a metre apart from each other.

considering the footprint of the designs with their own amps the more powerful designs having the amp hanging off the back makes them quite hard to accomadate in modest domestic settings.

how do you have yours set up?

my passive speakers are at the opposite end of the room from my source (listening position) just under 2m apart, with 4 runs of cable appx 15m

....yours?

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Just got these this week. 

Currently 1ft from the wall. 2 x 15ft RCA - XLR cables fed from the Sonos. 8ft apart and about 10 ft from the listening seat, still playing about, but so far so good.

 

http://www.genelec.com/faq/acoustical/52-i-am-not-getting-enough-bass/

Just a link to the positioning possibilities, I'm definitely getting enough bass.

The main thing is, whether passive or active, just enjoy what you've got. Time for a beer :cheers:

 

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Thompsonuxb]</p> <p>[quote=Alec wrote:

Thompsonuxb wrote:

Alec wrote:

Thompsonuxb]the active option is not being made difficult its in many cases&nbsp;not&nbsp;practical in the real world,<a href="mailto:David@frankharveys">[/quote</a> wrote:

 

 

Whatwhat?

 

And what are these active speakers of which you speak?

 

The ones that need a plug socke for each box....... :O

 

Ah. Just as I thought. And is that why you're saying they're not practical in the real world?

 

Er ...no.

but positioning is an issue with them,

How many of you active users are using full size speakers as opposed to mini monitors or desk top designs. And what type of actives are you using, master/slave types or speakers with their own built in amps and whats the proximity of these speakers from the source, are they less than a metre apart from each other.

considering the footprint of the designs with their own amps the more powerful designs having the amp hanging off the back makes them quite hard to accomadate in modest domestic settings.

how do you have yours set up?

my passive speakers are at the opposite end of the room from my source (listening position) just under 2m apart, with 4 runs of cable appx 15m

....yours?

 

I don't really recognise the division of active speakers into the types you mentioned. That's kind of why Iasked you what they are, as I suspect your answer would be different to mine, and I still don't get why you consider them impractical...

 

Mine are around 10 foot apart, on stands. Otherwise, well, they are in my sig...

 

I think your question may not have been specific to me, but there you have it anyway.

 

EDIT Tired, just reread your post. Further to the above, the right speaker is close to the source, but the left, which has to connect direct to the source is around 9 feet away. The left has to connect to the right, and the left needs plugging into the mains.

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skippy wrote:

Just got these this week. 

Currently 1ft from the wall. 2 x 15ft RCA - XLR cables fed from the Sonos. 8ft apart and about 10 ft from the listening seat, still playing about, but so far so good.

 

http://www.genelec.com/faq/acoustical/52-i-am-not-getting-enough-bass/

Just a link to the positioning possibilities, I'm definitely getting enough bass.

The main thing is, whether passive or active, just enjoy what you've got. Time for a beer :cheers:

 

Nice setup.  Dirol

 

Genelec have some really informative technical information about room acoustics and setup on their website. They're worth reading if anyone's interested in that sort of thing.

Hi-Fi - Teufel DecoderStation 5 > AVI DM5

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It's a damn pity many studios don't listen as closely to their output as their professional equipment would allow :wall:

ROFL I think you'd find a lot of people who work in studios would be quite willing to take you to task over that.  Try saying that on a forum where people actually make the music and you'll be laughed out the door, and unfortunately it shows great ignorance as to what goes on in a studio, and then more importantly what goes on afterwards, especially with regards to the record companies and their ridiculous demands.

Oh really now! I don't give a fig who laughs, Bud. What damn planet do you live on? Have you not heard of the loudness wars? Have you not heard gross compression? Now had I said that ALL studios.. instead of many studios, your reply may have some validity but I didn't say all.

I've read 1000s of posts on various forums regarding folk blaming equipment for fatiguing sound where the culprit is more often or not poorly balanced & dreadfully compressed recordings. The recording industry has a great deal to answer for! Having said that, there are many hugely professional & dedicated studio staff but a great many studios are far to lax. I am not friggin' deaf!!!

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Greetings from the Baja peninsular.

Over 6000 miles from London, Mrs DDC having a shower, and i see that you all have managed over 100 posts and all without my help, an early greating to Thompson apart.

At present I am more concerned about getting ready for a beach party than anything else, live band too, god knows what they will be like.

Who knows, I might even log in tomorrow and let you know.......... :cheers:

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Have a good night and a great holiday, don't fall in the beach fire.

Have a bit of sympathy, it's -22c here at the moment, but the sun's been shining all day Dirol

 

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davedotco wrote:

Greetings from the Baja peninsular.

Over 6000 miles from London, Mrs DDC having a shower, and i see that you all have managed over 100 posts and all without my help, an early greating to Thompson apart.

At present I am more concerned about getting ready for a beach party than anything else, live band too, god knows what they will be like.

Who knows, I might even log in tomorrow and let you know.......... :cheers:

May both of you have an extremely fine & memorable holiday, Dave. Just send us a collective postcard: "Glad you're not here..!"

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Recently I have noticed in a few threads regarding sound quality a few members keep dropping the Active Speaker bomb into the discussion as if they'll give a noteable imrpovement in sound quality over passive speakers, stop it.

There is no decernable difference between the two types of speaker - outside of the convininece and flexability passive speakers offer - given a straight blind test I doubt anyone could tell passive from active anyway. So please - there is enough confusion  in this hobby already.

 

Thank you.

 

as somebody who likes to champion cable differences, I find it slighty odd that you're now bringing blind testing in to the equation to back up your own views when you've previously said that people should just trust their ears....  I hope you can apprecaite the irony/hypocrisy of your post....  Just sayin... Wink

Sorry fellas, while this thread has run its course pls allow me to respond to a few post in it which due to time restraints I could not respond to previously.......

Cheeseboy, this post makes no sense to me, what do you mean? I have always been pro test, sighted or blind. I have said many times MY set differenciates between cables clearly I have also said if anyone can hear differences then trust that - the reason this thread was raised is basically to make the uninitiated aware that the differences in performance between passive and active speakers is not the night and day difference some would have you believe, pls pointt out the irony/hypocrisy? ...... I don't get it.

 

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