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David@FrankHarvey wrote:

Regardless of who is right or who is wrong, and what is technically correct and what isn't, personal preference rules the roost - people will choose what they prefer the sound of.

Provided personal preference is based also on technically correct performance information. 

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To my mind the problem has been that the majority of discussions - surrounding active speaker technology and products - on this forum have been centred around one very small, specialist manufacturer of audiophile active speakers.

A handful of it's most determined followers have set the agenda. This has been happening every week (sometimes every day)  for years and has resulted in an automatic association of any active speaker product being discussed with this company.

This is disproportionate, especially now that active technology products are being made by B&W, KEF, Focal, Quad, Linn, AE, Cambridge Audio (and a whole lot of other companies traditionally associated with the domestic hi-i scene).

I understand Thompsonuxb's frustration. 

But he is not right and the post is rather redolent of King Canute demonstrating his powerlessness to reverse the tide by command. (Only without Canute's knowledge that he couldn't.)

 

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David@FrankHarvey wrote:

 as with passives, there's good and bad. 

 

True, however, all other things being equal, an active will perform significantly better.

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Other internet forums are available without the zealotry. Some people have even tried both and gone back to passives, shock horror.

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AlmaataKZ wrote:

David@FrankHarvey wrote:

Regardless of who is right or who is wrong, and what is technically correct and what isn't, personal preference rules the roost - people will choose what they prefer the sound of.

Provided personal preference is based also on technically correct performance information. 

Surely in terms of speakers personal preference is based solely on what you like the sound of? Whether the "performance information" (whatever the fuck that is) is technically correct or not has no bearing on whether someone likes the sound of something.

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AlmaataKZ wrote:

David@FrankHarvey wrote:

 as with passives, there's good and bad. 

True, however, all other things being equal, an active will perform significantly better.

I look forward to seeing the ABX tests that prove this.

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The_Lhc wrote:

AlmaataKZ wrote:

David@FrankHarvey wrote:

Regardless of who is right or who is wrong, and what is technically correct and what isn't, personal preference rules the roost - people will choose what they prefer the sound of.

Provided personal preference is based also on technically correct performance information. 

Surely in terms of speakers personal preference is based solely on what you like the sound of? Whether the "performance information" (whatever the fuck that is) is technically correct or not has no bearing on whether someone likes the sound of something.

of cause personal preference can be for whatever, what I mean is - better when preference is formed not only on 'oh, this sounds impressive!' but also on understaning of what that sound is made up - e.g. are you hearing a smily face EQ curve, DSP-controlled speaker, ruler-flat studio monitor etc.    

 

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John Duncan wrote:

AlmaataKZ wrote:

David@FrankHarvey wrote:

 as with passives, there's good and bad. 

True, however, all other things being equal, an active will perform significantly better.

I look forward to seeing the ABX tests that prove this.

no ABX test needed, design calculations and/or measurements would be enough to convince (a technicla person)

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Would any of the active evangelists open up their listening room to other forumites to give them a chance to hear what they're missing?

If anyone did this I would be happy to go along with a totally open mind (and some baked goods) and write an honest write up. My experience of active speakers is very limited but they're definitely something I'd consider.

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AlmaataKZ wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

AlmaataKZ wrote:

David@FrankHarvey wrote:

 as with passives, there's good and bad. 

True, however, all other things being equal, an active will perform significantly better.

I look forward to seeing the ABX tests that prove this.

no ABX test needed, design calculations and/or measurements would be enough to convince (a technicla person)

Ah, no ABX test needed...

1,000 times less audible than inaudible is...what?

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AlmaataKZ wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

AlmaataKZ wrote:

David@FrankHarvey wrote:

 as with passives, there's good and bad. 

True, however, all other things being equal, an active will perform significantly better.

I look forward to seeing the ABX tests that prove this.

no ABX test needed, design calculations and/or measurements would be enough to convince (a technicla person)

Are you aware that the vast majority of the hi-fi / audio buying public are not 'technical' by education or occupation? Are you also aware that they have no contact with technically literate opinion formers? (And would, quite sensibly, run a mile to avoid contact with one in the process of purchase.)

A small number will pick up a magazine to assist their decision. An even smaller number will encounter a hi-fi salesman in a specialist shop, but most will have no idea of this debate and will, at best, decide on the basis of price, looks and a shelf demo in a large store or (far more likely) make an online purchase.

You can 'educate' all you like. No-one, in any numbers that will make a difference, will hear you. 

Price, looks, market forces, national advertising, a friend's system, lifestyle pressures and compatibilty with existing kit like computers, phones and tablets will determine what gets bought.  The customer doesn't give a #### whether it's active, 'powered' , passive or dancing on the table singing 'Paddy McGinty's Goat'.

 

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AlmaataKZ wrote:

The_Lhc wrote:

AlmaataKZ wrote:

David@FrankHarvey wrote:

Regardless of who is right or who is wrong, and what is technically correct and what isn't, personal preference rules the roost - people will choose what they prefer the sound of.

Provided personal preference is based also on technically correct performance information. 

Surely in terms of speakers personal preference is based solely on what you like the sound of? Whether the "performance information" (whatever the fuck that is) is technically correct or not has no bearing on whether someone likes the sound of something.

of cause personal preference can be for whatever, what I mean is - better when preference is formed not only on 'oh, this sounds impressive!' but also on understaning of what that sound is made up - e.g. are you hearing a smily face EQ curve, DSP-controlled speaker, ruler-flat studio monitor etc.    

No, sorry, I don't think that matters at all! If someone walks into a shop, listens to a bunch of speakers and says "I like these speakers more than those speakers" then that's the ONLY thing that matters to that person.

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Thing is, guys, the evangelists are on a loser here. Unfortunately we've got ears, not measuring devices linked to our brains. All the scientific theory in the world isn't going to make perfect speakers, so this education approach is a complete waste of time. Given you're all members of another tiny forum, discuss this highly important stuff there and let the rest of us go out, use our ears and buy something we like.

 

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busb wrote:

I'm more likely to give someone who's posted nearly 700 times more credence than someone who's posted 13 times who uses terms like "silly post"!

 

You're obviously a quantity over quality kinda guy.

 

 

 

 

Brilliant!

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