Yeah that's the route I will probably take, even if it's to tide me over until I can get better
Far to much spent on odds and sods.
Rip everything to a NAS drive, buy a Devialet 110 and a pair of Cremona Auditors (while the speakers are still available at a reduced price)
Far more effective way of spending that sort of money.......
Nice gear!. Refering to the OP's question I will qualify my original answer in that the Marantz PM6004 works well with the Q Acoustics 2050i's up to 12 0'clock on the volume control with the speakers well away from the corners or walls of a room amout 5 meters by about 4 meters.You can always push the foam bungs in to tighten up the base. Above this it might struggle and in any case would be Just too loud for our terrace house!The Whathifi review of these speakers said that they were too polite for their taste and I understand that comment. My main genres I listen to are jazz, Swing- big band sound, pop/jazz (Caro Emerald ,Amy Winehouse Manhattan Transfer etc.) and Classical (Wagner) & Opera (Puccini).I usually have the volume at just over 9 o,clock and I am very happy with the sound from CD's , Vynil & downloads. If I had a bigger room then one of the bigger Marantz amplifiers with outputs more to the top end of the 25 to 150 watt speaker range say 100 watts per channel would presumably be more suited to the 2050i's or indeed another make of amplifier as you suggest .
My Tannoy DC6Ts have a lower sensitivity than the Q acoustics, but I'm not sure if I've listened to music with the volume knob of my NAD C356BEE at 12 O'Clock or higher. I know one thing for sure: that is pretty loud.
Broner, we have been through this many times before, the setting on the volume control is no indicator of the power the amplifier is delivering, none at all. Two thoughts for you, just two, its siesta time......
A lot of modern amplifiers have volume controls that 'get loud' very quickly, it is to impress the uninformed. The realisation that turning it up beyond (say) 12 o'clock sounds awful as the amplifier is in hard clip comes much later.
Your ears react in a strange way, they equate distortion with percieved volume. The more (harmonic) distortion the louder it sounds, this is why a 50 watt guitar amp can sound so incredibly loud, even in a large venue.
If a budget hi-fi system sounds really loud, it is almost certainly being overdriven. Good systems rarely sound loud until you walk out of the listening room and realise that you are disturbing the neighbours in the next street.
We do so many shows in a row,
And these towns all look the same,
We just pass the time in our hotel room
And wander 'round backstage,
Till the lights come up, and we hear that crowd,
And we remember why we came.
I know that the volume or loudness that I perceive with the knob at e.g. 9 O'clock is no indicator of power, so it is beyond me why I wrote what I wrote.
If you can sterch your budget the Roksan Kandy K2 will give better results . floorstanders are more demanding than standmounts in terms of power
I don't think the Marantz will fulfil the full potential of the Q Acoustics .
Is that right, I thought the floorstanders were generally more sensitive so would be less demanding?
Sensitivity is only one part of the whole picture , Usually floorstanders demands more power so for a low budget system it is better to use standmounts that can be move quite well even with modest power amps .
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as many people have said before more wats mean better control not volume
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From comments made on this thread I believe my amplifier may be underpowered for my speakers as in my signature.
OK I accept the argument and obviously ideally need a Marantz K1 Perlite or a Roksan Kandy K2 or something of this ilk eventually. I think my next upgrade will be my turntable however. If the above point is widely accepted why is whathifi coming up with following in its review of the PM6004?
"Works a treat with its partnering CD player
While the PM6004 is flexible enough to be partnered with other, non-Marantz electronics, as a pair they pull in the same sonic direction, and the resulting presentation is as fast-paced, detailed and dynamic as you could possibly hope for from a hi-fi pairing at this end of the market.
Add a pair of Tannoy Revolution DC6 T floorstanders (£800) and you’ll be especially happy, but B&W’s 685s (£380) or KEF’s Q300s (£450), both standmounted designs, are also highly recommended partners for what is a simply superb, affordable, hi-fi separates system. "
The DC6 t's have a power rating of up to 350 watts I believe. Surely the 45watts of the PM6004 would not be enough to drive them to their full potential. My Q A 2500i's are only up to 150 watts.
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Paul, if you like the sound of your system, why upgrade ? The PM6004 is a very nice amp and you can always upgrade later if you want.
Just enjoy your music
Absolutely agree, if your system is working well and giving you what you want, don't mess with it......
That is the straightforward 'music lovers' approach and has much to commend it.
If on the other hand you come onto a hi-fi forum and discuss your system and possible upgrades then, by definition, people are going to analyse your system, point out possible 'weak' spots and suggest improvements.
Much of the advice you will get will come from those who, by and large, follow the forum line and recommend all the 'usual' suspects but from time to time you will get 'advice' from people who simply think and believe differently.
Mostly I find myself in the second category and on this occasion I think the single biggest upgrade you could make is to replace your amplifier with a 'better' one, not necessarily more powerful, on paper anyway, but one that handles the requirements of playing real music with both grace and energy as required.
I have already suggested you investigate the Creek 50a, the Croft integrated and, budget permitting, the baby Sugden, all amplifiers that will, in my experience, lift your system to another level.
If you are interested in these options you have to make an effort, you are not going to find them in your local Richers or Sevenoaks which is why so few people have any idea of what they are capable of.
Appologies for the lecture and the 'know it all' attitude but i believe that their is a whole world of superior product out there, beyond the usual round of 5* favourites that, for the enthusiast, offers a completely different and superior level of musical enjoyment.
No need to apologise. I suppose a bigger amplifier is like having a bigger engine in your car. The bigger engine is far more useful even if you stick to the speed limits. I was just wondering why our hosts first speaker they mention is a floor stander with range up to 350 watts to be used with an amplifier of 45 watts per channel but it is probably wise to leave it there. I know who is right.;I have said that hi-fi is not my main hobby but I have definately got the bug. In an old post I mentioned that I started in the 1960's with a valve stereo amplifier, a turntable and home made speaker cabinets. The wooferswere 12inch and the tweeters 1inch and I made the crossovers myself. However the rating of the amplifier exceeded the rating of the speakers and one afternoon me and my brother were listening to his album "Deep Purple in Rock" at high volume when the left woofer blew up with a bang and a flash. So I have moved on just a bit since then!
To continue the car analogy, it isn't just the size amd BHP of the engine (the rated power in hi-fi terms) that matters, refinement, sophistication, build quality and the rest all come into it.
None of the amplifiers I mention are significantly more powerful than 45 watts but the way they actually play music is in a different league, if you are at all interested I urge you to try them out.
I used to love building my own speakers, in my case I started with an 8 inch twin cone to which I later added a cone tweeter with a single capacitor as crossover and finished with my own active bi-amp version of the JBL 4320 series studio monitors. State of the art, in 1975.......
firstly, congratulations on purchasing some great speakers!
I also have mine running with a Yamaha 673 in bi amp mode and it sounds very good.
I demod the pm6004 and i'll tell you now that I found it was struggling to power the 2050i compared to the AS500 amp so i went for an AS500 amp. my as500 is now powering b and w 684 speakers.
the point I would like to make is i dont think you will notice any improvement from going to the pm6004 over your curent setup
HIFI= Yamaha CDS300 CDP ----> Rega DAC-----> Yamaha AS500 Amp-----> B&W 684
Airport Express ------> Rega DAC-----etc..
Yamaha RX-673 ------> Q Acoustics 2050i
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