Sorry, did not take special not of the equipment they were hooked up to, i listened to more than 15 different set-ups that day. Though all listened was done using the same music on cd.
On that day the only two standouts i listened too was The Sonus Faber Venere 1.5 and Proac Response D-1.
The Proac have a very nice and smooth midrange presentation but as a whole i prefered the sound from the Sonus Fabers which seemed more open and expansive. (Note: They were listened to in different rooms and with different amps/sources).
Neat Petite SX, around the £1300 mark. Their floorstanders are also good - to my ears the Elites were the pick. Heard them with an all Naim system - the XS series components.
Wow! 15k is more than I can even dream of spending for now...
But i would like to know what you think of PMCs lower range... specifically the i series...
Sonus Faber... hmm... could you please post your opinion if you can and tell us what you thought of those...?
I've heard Sonus Faber, toys and stuff... and appreciated them... i felt a slight emphasis on the vocals... Im not sure i can say I liked them really...
Id love to know what you think...
Regret I've not the heard the i series other than fleetingly. Might hear some tomorrow at the Bristol show though.
I love the Sonus faber 'house sound' though mine are now over a decade old. As you say, if you love the voice they are particularly fine. Not heard the Venere range yet, as they still very new, but I believe worth seeking out - that was my point. They look great too, whereas PMCs are just boxes. In the UK, the defaults seem to be Neat and PMC with Naim gear.
Hi-Fi: Krell KAV-300cd, Michell TecnoDec/RB250/Grado Prestige Black1, KAV-300i amp, Transparent balanced interconnects and bi-wire to Sonus faber Concerto grand piano speakers, Nakamichi ZX-7 cassette deck, Logitech Squeezebox Touch, Hitachi FT-5500 and Sony S570ES tuners, BCD Engineering stand, RA Powerlink, Chord powerchord, Grado SR60i cans.
AV: Sony Bravia KDL-32EX503 telly, BDP-S370 player with QED HDMI. Currently unused: Denon AVR-1705, DVD-1710, KEF KHT1005.2
Thats alright man! I really like the ProAcs... The studio 110s are on my list at the moment...
i have to check the Sonus Fabers out...
I will definitely check out the Fabers no doubt...
if I may ask... What electronics are you using them with?
Are you actually changing your current set-up? If so I would suggest that any Uniti product will be a sideways step with no or little improvement for the outlay. SuperUniti may be worth looking at however, especially if you keep your CD5. If, you want a streamer then why not an ND5XS with your current kit?
As for speakers, Naim and Dynaudios are a great match and I have used my Contours on two Naim systems over the past 10 years. They generally require a bit of juice, although newer designs are supposedly easier to drive, but my Contours sounded great on the end of a 45 watt/ch NAP140 power amp.
Sorry for the late reply man...
No, I'm not changing my current set up... That set up is in another city and I've moved for study here... And I'd like to compile a system from scratch for here...
i was told by a lot, and having heard the Uniti, I thought it was pretty good! However, I know the thumb rule that separates are far better than one box, even in practical.
I was thinking of auditioning the SuperUniti, but its too expensive in my opinion to spend for a one-box.
now I'm settling in for the NAP 155XS and the NAC N 172XS...
with either of those speaker options...
im thinking of the CM5s too... But they're too expensive, I'm not sure how they will sound with Naim and they're not reviewed that well either (irrelevant though)
Well, a brief update. No PMC i series to hear at the Bristol Show, but did get 15 minutes with the twenty:21s, the smallest of the twenty series. I'd say they pretty much deserve all the acclaim, and look neater than the rather clumsy sloping floorstanders to my eyes. Clear as a bell, very pure sounding, amazing bass extenson for the size (fed from a very sophisticated Bryston integrated, CD and streamer combo in the £10k range altogether). Maybe slightly monitorish, in the analytical sense, but no nasties and would be better off axis - I was almost straight on. £1375 a pair in lovely wood, though why shiny black paint costs so much extra is beyond me.
Also heard the KEF LS50, which also well justified their acclaim, and I think I might prefer at home to the PMCs in terms of sound:value. Unfortunately no grilles and only a black finish, so not very spouse friendly. But great sound, if maybe not as accurate as the PMCs. Only £680 at the Show - bargain of the year, surely?
Interesting to hear about the PMCs - I heard the 23s and they are gorgeous sounding,although, as you stated, they are a bit ugly. These were connected to a Yam receiver.
This is one issue I have with the LS50s - no grilles. Not so much unfriendly to the wife but not practical when you little ones whizzing around or pets.
Leema Pulse MKII-S; Naim CD5i MKII; Denon TU-260L MKII; MA RS6 speakers; Pro-ject Xpression 1; loads of different cables...
Formerly known as plastic penguin
[quote=nopiano]Unfortunately no grilles and only a black finish, so not very spouse friendly. quote]
We have Black and Gold KEF LS50's with a Black Rega Brio-R amp and Black Apollo-R cd player, along with a Black DVD/HDD player and Black LCD TV and Black cables; and they all look stunning together. I have thought about possible child-(un?)friendliness of no front covers (I just love the gold!), but audio cables and interconnects are hardly child-friendly either...Our audio-visual lounge is striclty adults only! (smile)
Rega Brio-R integrated amp, Rega Apollo-R cd player, Tellurium Q Green speaker cables, Tellurium Q Black interconnects, Rega Isis/Osiris mains power cables, KEF LS50 speakers.
Thanks so much for your comments nopiano, antskip and plastic penguin.
i seriously looked into everything...
I hope I can make the right decision soon,
i really really like the soft dome design of the ATCs and the PMCs... The sound is just incredibly sweet... I like that, because I felt in longer listening periods, the metal domes are fatiguing... Unless implemented properly...
Need to know though,
if the NAP 155XS and the 172 are enough to power the ATC SCM11s
I have just heard the Kef LS50s and PMC DB1s Gold, with Musical Fidelity M3i and Audiolab 8200. First up were PMCs and i did not like them at all, sounded clean, cold, thin, lacking in sparkle but had bass, next up were the Kefs these were much better more integrated, warmer mid range. Now the PMCs maybe a better match with Naim I don't know. I would say both need decent amps and quite a bit of power, the MF at 76 W seemed OK but bass was a bit loose at times on the KEFs. For "the closest to studio sound" I would try to hear some active speakers.
Very surprised you found the PMCs "cold and lacking sparkle". Not the perfect speaker but that isn't their problems. Still one of my fav standmounters.
Yes was surprised to, maybe it was partly due to the room? I hear square room are not the best. The Kefs were better but still not very engaging. Got home put the same music on and I was away.
I have heard, that the PMC DB1 gold isn't as engaging as the 1i
even my dealer told me that.
I can understand that for the KEFs, because I also felt that the sound was very neutral. I didn't find it non engaging, but I think that's the sound I like.
These sound dramatically different from the other KEFs I've heard it the past. For the better of course.
Have you ever considered little Guru Junior’s? If you haven’t , I strongly suggest you had a try. You may well be very surprised with what you see and what you hear. Heard them at Bristol show with Naim Unitilite and was very pleased with the sound. To me it cuts above a very good Kef LS50’s.
SONY Bravia 32 EX723, Denon DBP2012UD, Naim UnitiQute, B&W685, Nac A5, Chord Active HDMI 1.4, Chord Crimson Plus
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