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You dont realy want me to get involved do you Cno . . . most have lost their way on understanding stands, sad, very sad?

I've been trying to get you involved since you came on here, but for your own reasons, you mostly choose not to....which I think is a shame.

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I still have a pair of Partington Trophy stands from my time with Naim nSats. They are welded structures (not self assembly) and very solid. They are are also finished in gloss black which mitigates against their looks a little. 

The inside of the pillars and and underside of the top / bottom plates are lined with fibreglass (whether for damping or rust proofing I know not) which was a pain when I first got them because they were shedding a fair bit of loose glass fibre bits. So i spent some time with our trusty 'Henry' vacuum cleaner - and a stiff brush nozzle attachment - removing every last loose bit of the stuff.

To stop any fibres from emerging from the inside of the pillars, I found the correct (every so slighty over diameter) size of stiff foam pipe lagging tube at the local B&Q and rammed it down inside them.  

I figured that not only would the foam tubes (and the bungs) prevent any stray glass fibres, but they would also 'damp' the - previously hollow - pillars.  

I didn't want to mess around with dry sand or lead shot (!) or Atabytes nor anything else that was either potentially messy, toxic, expensive or very heavy. (The stands were aleady heavy enough.)

They are now stored under the stairs (in bubble wrap) because I currently have no need of them. They came out for a weekend, when testing some JPW Sonatas last year,  but that was it. 

They are probably unsaleable on ebay because they can't be dis-assembled and postage would be disproportionately high compared to the few quid that they would sell for. So they will remain under the stairs until such time as a relative, friend or colleague might need them. 

 

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Also seen some Soundstyle Z1's at a good price. Any thoughts on those?

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Will the heaviness affect the sound in any way, I thought the heavier the better?

Yes.....probably.

Some speakers like heavy stands, and some work better on light, but stable ones.

There are no hard and fast rules, and experimentation is the way to go. Different "filling materials" can effect the sound, and changing the level of filling, may also change the sound.

Heavier is often better, but can make the speakers sound less lively....personal preference should dictate the way forward.

 

You dont realy want me to get involved do you Cno . . . most have lost their way on understanding stands, sad, very sad?

By the way Paddy, if the door opens onto the side of the speaker, put a door wedge on the floor to stop the door hitting the cabinet, I use this, works perfect.  I also use the wedge to fix the door position, the door then works like a baffle, affecting the room sound.

CJSF

Thanks Cno, theres not actually a door, just a passage way leading to a couple of doors. I think the stands mentioned, with speakers on top would be quite difficult to topple, though thinking back to some of the parties i've had in the past....

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CJSF wrote:

You dont realy want me to get involved do you Cno . . . most have lost their way on understanding stands, sad, very sad?

I've been trying to get you involved since you came on here, but for your own reasons, you mostly choose not to....which I think is a shame.

 

 

Hi Cno, I get less and less involved as I get more to the point of simply relaxing and enjoying my music. Also the blinkered views of some contributes is irritating, especial the troll like contributions I seem to attract? Thats not to say people are not entitled to a strong view, but that we to are entitled to our opposite view and must agree to differ?

I get myself into hot water, I wont say yes when I mean no, but I do see the other point of view! So, the best way is stay out of it, just occasionally dipping in with the latest.

One also still has ones personal problems that jump up and bite occasionally . . . serious a couple of weeks ago, nearly sold all my hifi, shades of my problems 15 years ago, when I did just that!!! I had some serious kit in those days, let go for peanuts.

So, as I'm obviously still on a knife edge, I choose my moments.

Enjoying some Jeff Beck as I type 'Live at Ronnie Scotts'. . . superb.

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Enjoying some Jeff Beck as I type 'Live at Ronnie Scotts'. . . superb. CJSF

CJSF , I agree that Jeff Beck recording is fantastic , I have been to Ronnie Scotts many times and it really is like being there :rockout:   Smile

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Also seen some Soundstyle Z1's at a good price. Any thoughts on those?

 

Should be fine as long as you are happy with the looks but they weight about 19kgs so carriage maybe expensive.

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CJSF wrote:

Enjoying some Jeff Beck as I type 'Live at Ronnie Scotts'. . . superb. CJSF

CJSF , I agree that Jeff Beck recording is fantastic , I have been to Ronnie Scotts many times and it really is like being there :rockout:   Smile

I was really impressed by the very young girl bass player. Very talented!

(ps. That's from the blu-ray,)

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paddyb wrote:

Also seen some Soundstyle Z1's at a good price. Any thoughts on those?

 

Should be fine as long as you are happy with the looks but they weight about 19kgs so carriage maybe expensive.

I've got a few quotes and weight doesn't affect it as much as I thought, up to about 25kgs the price is the same, but increases alot after 30kgs. Dimensions change it quite a lot, so I need to make sure they can package then tightly.

This is all a moot point at the moment, as you'll see from another thread I think I've damaged my speakers, so need to sort that before thinking anymore about stands!

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BigH wrote:

paddyb wrote:

Also seen some Soundstyle Z1's at a good price. Any thoughts on those?

 

Should be fine as long as you are happy with the looks but they weight about 19kgs so carriage maybe expensive.

 as you'll see from another thread I think I've damaged my speakers, so need to sort that before thinking anymore about stands!

 

How do you mean?

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CJSF wrote:

Enjoying some Jeff Beck as I type 'Live at Ronnie Scotts'. . . superb. CJSF

CJSF , I agree that Jeff Beck recording is fantastic , I have been to Ronnie Scotts many times and it really is like being there :rockout:   Smile

I was really impressed by the very young girl bass player. Very talented!

(ps. That's from the blu-ray,)

Yes she is Tal Wilkenfeld , I have a  solo Cd of hers called  "Transformation " that shows off her talent very well , she has also played bass for many other top names and bands .

http://www.talwilkenfeld.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformation_%28Tal_Wilkenfeld_album%29

 

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paddyb wrote:

BigH wrote:

paddyb wrote:

Also seen some Soundstyle Z1's at a good price. Any thoughts on those?

 

Should be fine as long as you are happy with the looks but they weight about 19kgs so carriage maybe expensive.

 as you'll see from another thread I think I've damaged my speakers, so need to sort that before thinking anymore about stands!

 

How do you mean?

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/have-i-damaged-my-speakers-or-amp

 

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Electro wrote:

CJSF wrote:

Enjoying some Jeff Beck as I type 'Live at Ronnie Scotts'. . . superb. CJSF

CJSF , I agree that Jeff Beck recording is fantastic , I have been to Ronnie Scotts many times and it really is like being there :rockout:   Smile

I was really impressed by the very young girl bass player. Very talented!

(ps. That's from the blu-ray,)

Yes she is Tal Wilkenfeld , I have a  solo Cd of hers called  "Transformation " that shows off her talent very well , she has also played bass for many other top names and bands .

http://www.talwilkenfeld.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformation_%28Tal_Wilkenfeld_album%29

 

 

 

She has an album on Spotify 'Transformation' if anyone wants to have a listen . . . I recommend you do . . . and follow the links to related artists, some great music there. The links alone are going to keep me occupied for a longtime . . . ?

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Following those links from Tal Wilkenfield on Spotify, I have names on 'Play List' to investigat like; Oz Noy, Scott Henderson, Frank Gamble, I'm sure to the initiated, well known? . . . to me the old stick in the mud, a revelation, Spotify is great to dip in and out of to sample. Hazel is a little perplexed???? what are you listening to she, having just pocked her head around the door, no its not Horlicks hour, we are just about to sit down for afternoon tea. Music will have to go off in favor of the Archers . . . :?

Seems my system, from what I have listen to in the past hour, is particularly suited to the funky Jazz type music, though I preferred the more traditional acoustic type, another avenue to follow.

Valves really seem to get hold of the music, presenting it with a powerful dynamic that so works in my small room, the PMC LB1 speakers are so tight, small studio type monitors and yet the base extension from the transmission line setup is spine tingling. Im going to have some superb listening, curently; Oz Noy 'Light Blues'. Ah well come back to it this evening . . . Archers now Wink
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Following those links from Tal Wilkenfield on Spotify, I have names on 'Play List' to investigat like; Oz Noy, Scott Henderson, Frank Gamble, I'm sure to the initiated, well known? . . . to me the old stick in the mud, a revelation, Spotify is great to dip in and out of to sample. Hazel is a little perplexed???? what are you listening to she, having just pocked her head around the door, no its not Horlicks hour, we are just about to sit down for afternoon tea. Music will have to go off in favor of the Archers . . . :? Seems my system, from what I have listen to in the past hour, is particularly suited to the funky Jazz type music, though I preferred the more traditional acoustic type, another avenue to follow. Valves really seem to get hold of the music, presenting it with a powerful dynamic that so works in my small room, the PMC LB1 speakers are so tight, small studio type monitors and yet the base extension from the transmission line setup is spine tingling. Im going to have some superb listening, curently; Oz Noy 'Light Blues'. Ah well come back to it this evening . . . Archers now Wink CJSF

Try this CJSF  it will knock your socks off  Smile , your LB1's will definitely love it and I'm sure you will too !

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