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RE: Thompsonuxb wrote: So while

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No I disagree with that 'alter or detract' statement too, if you improve the signal the amp or your speakers recieves ( and you can with interconnects and cables) then you will not alter the sound you will improve it.

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to a degree maybe the better the cable the closer you get to the reall sound outputted by your source......

 

I shouldn't be responding, but these two contrary posts demonstrate that you are either a moron or a troll. Or both. 

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I shouldn't be responding, but these two contrary posts demonstrate that you are either a moron or a troll. Or both. 

I don't think you should be responding, at least not in this manner. Calling someone a moron is personally offensive and has no place on this forum, as you very well know. An apology is in order.

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2 days...2days it took me to read through the latest cable thread...wow...2days!

Anyhow there was one particular skeptic who's post caught my eye (but its a little late to respond to it...)

its the post that states speaker placement has a far greater effect on your music than cables......weeeeeeellllllll I disagree. I forget who it was and I will not be going back through that thread any time soon....2days.

while speaker placement will affect bass response and sound stage it does not affect fidelity or the quality of the sound you get from your speakers, just spreads it about abit, while in my experience a cables subtle changes can and do become quite dramatic over time as the improvement in fidelity reveals more in all parts of stereo reproduction.

So while speaker placement can have a profound affect on the way your system sounds it cannot improve it.... really... if you know what I mean?
but cables on the other hand.........

Fidelity you say? Your source and amp does that. If you're relying on a cable to improve your system's fidelity, you're wasting your time. A cable won't extract data off a disc or LP. And in my experience, listening to a stereo over time merely erodes your memory of how something originally sounded, in other words, it's your subjective opinion in the end. So any reliable references to how something sounded many days or weeks before are going to be very much in the minority.

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RE: Thompsonuxb wrote: So while

matt49 wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

I shouldn't be responding, but these two contrary posts demonstrate that you are either a moron or a troll. Or both. 

I don't think you should be responding, at least not in this manner. Calling someone a moron is personally offensive and has no place on this forum, as you very well know. An apology is in order.

 

i agree, come on Ben calm down. I apologise myself for saying "deaf or stupid" earlier but it wasn't directed at anyone in particular 

 

Thompson agree's speaker placement affects the sound but I'm still not sure what his point is, maybe I'm being stupid! 

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Robinok & letshaveit......think about this. if you have poorly defined treble ( not so much bass in this context) and poor midrange i.e the speakers are not being controlled to their optimum by the amp or the signal being amplified is poor then moving the speakers around will have an affect but whats being produced will still be poor - so yes you can achieve a wider soundstage and yes the 'bass' will alter but the quality.....nnnnnnnnnmmm.

 

I am of course making the point based on a system that is well setup and matched, not where there is a shortcoming in which case a cable won't fix the problem anyway. Unless of course you're happy to thinly paper over the cracks.  Again, cables aren't the answer. 

 

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Some times Cables is the

Some times Cables is the answer, just not to any question that's likely to be asked here...

Here's a nice clip of some Big Black Cables.
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That's not true obviously.  IMO only, but the gross over-emphasis given to cables for the minimal returns.... you know the rest.  

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RE: Speaker placement not.....

Thompsonuxb wrote:
2 days...2days it took me to read through the latest cable thread...wow...2days! Anyhow there was one particular skeptic who's post caught my eye (but its a little late to respond to it...) its the post that states speaker placement has a far greater effect on your music than cables......weeeeeeellllllll I disagree. I forget who it was and I will not be going back through that thread any time soon....2days. while speaker placement will affect bass response and sound stage it does not affect fidelity or the quality of the sound you get from your speakers, just spreads it about abit, while in my experience a cables subtle changes can and do become quite dramatic over time as the improvement in fidelity reveals more in all parts of stereo reproduction. So while speaker placement can have a profound affect on the way your system sounds it cannot improve it.... really... if you know what I mean? but cables on the other hand.........

 

Surely that will depend on your speakers, your room and what cables you are using? One loudspeaker manufacturer said about half the sound is the room as well as the speakers. Speaker can have a large impact on sound its not just the soundstage, you can get boomy bass, lack of bass, no stereo image, holes if too far apart how is that not affecting fidelity or qualitily of sound. As for cables I would get some that pro use like Van Damme and use the money left over to upgrade your system or buy more music.

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So while speaker placement can have a profound affect on the way your system sounds it cannot improve it.... really... if you know what I mean?
but cables on the other hand.........

I think I know what you mean although slightly contradictory? But:

If speaker placement can have a profound effect on sound - it must therefore be able to either improve or reduce the way they sound - you can't have it just one way.

And for the same reasoning - cables also may improve or reduce the sound quality.

But, for most people I would imagine, sound quality is measured by what they hear in their listening position, so yes a cable change may alter (and improve) the sound coming out of the speakers, but you don't hear that sound right next to the speakers, their position in the room will also effect the sound on it's way to the listeners ear.

So overall, most will say that on balance altering the position of your speakers will have (to quote you) ' a profound effect on sound' for better or worse.

Personally, I upgraded my cables and thought there was an improvement, but it's hard for me to say with any strong conviction, but re-positioning my speakers I am happy to say made a big difference (improvement).

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RE: Speaker placement not.....

Thompsonuxb wrote:
2 days...2days it took me to read through the latest cable thread...wow...2days! Anyhow there was one particular skeptic who's post caught my eye (but its a little late to respond to it...) its the post that states speaker placement has a far greater effect on your music than cables......weeeeeeellllllll I disagree. I forget who it was and I will not be going back through that thread any time soon....2days. while speaker placement will affect bass response and sound stage it does not affect fidelity or the quality of the sound you get from your speakers, just spreads it about abit, while in my experience a cables subtle changes can and do become quite dramatic over time as the improvement in fidelity reveals more in all parts of stereo reproduction. So while speaker placement can have a profound affect on the way your system sounds it cannot improve it.... really... if you know what I mean? but cables on the other hand.........

 

thing is, what you've said falls flat on it's face.  If you don't believe me, point your speakers at the wall. See how it sounds then? Wink

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I suggest a simple book on acoustics will soon show u the truth. Someone.needs.to.get a basic.understanding before sharing ideas with absolutely no value

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RE: speaker placement

Even as a cable advocate, I have found Room Acoustics, Room Construction (especially suspended wooden floors) and Speaker Placement have a much more profound effect.

Cables can't completely destroy the sound, but a combination of the above can.

IME. Only after the fundamentals have been sorted, should cable experimentation begin, if that is your want.

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RE: Thompsonuxb wrote: So while

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BenLaw wrote:

I shouldn't be responding, but these two contrary posts demonstrate that you are either a moron or a troll. Or both. 

I don't think you should be responding, at least not in this manner. Calling someone a moron is personally offensive and has no place on this forum, as you very well know. An apology is in order.

 

You're pretty new here so may not be aware of Thompson's trolling history. I certainly wouldn't have posed what I did if this was one of his first threads. However, he has a history of trolling, particularly on this sort of subject. On this occasion, he wanted to get 'a piece of the action' from the other interminable thread, which is also being orchestrated by a tiresome troll. So, no, there is no apology warranted or given. FWIW, I don't think Thompson is a moron, I think he's a troll, many of whom have a degree of cynical intelligence. 

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RE: Thompsonuxb wrote: So while

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matt49 wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

I shouldn't be responding, but these two contrary posts demonstrate that you are either a moron or a troll. Or both. 

I don't think you should be responding, at least not in this manner. Calling someone a moron is personally offensive and has no place on this forum, as you very well know. An apology is in order.

You're pretty new here so may not be aware of Thompson's trolling history. I certainly wouldn't have posed what I did if this was one of his first threads. However, he has a history of trolling, particularly on this sort of subject. On this occasion, he wanted to get 'a piece of the action' from the other interminable thread, which is also being orchestrated by a tiresome troll. So, no, there is no apology warranted or given. FWIW, I don't think Thompson is a moron, I think he's a troll, many of whom have a degree of cynical intelligence. 

Calling someone a troll is one thing (and was in any case not what I referred to in my post, as you can plainly see here), calling them a moron (i.e. mentally retarded) is altogether different. 

Edit: my definition of moron got censored! The censored word was the adjectival past participle of "retard". Let's see if this gets censored too.

Edit edit: Yep. The censored word means "slowed down".

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How can a cable improve the sound?

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