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Speaker placement not.....

2 days...2days it took me to read through the latest cable thread...wow...2days!

Anyhow there was one particular skeptic who's post caught my eye (but its a little late to respond to it...)

its the post that states speaker placement has a far greater effect on your music than cables......weeeeeeellllllll I disagree. I forget who it was and I will not be going back through that thread any time soon....2days.

while speaker placement will affect bass response and sound stage it does not affect fidelity or the quality of the sound you get from your speakers, just spreads it about abit, while in my experience a cables subtle changes can and do become quite dramatic over time as the improvement in fidelity reveals more in all parts of stereo reproduction.

So while speaker placement can have a profound affect on the way your system sounds it cannot improve it.... really... if you know what I mean?
but cables on the other hand.........

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Thompsonuxb wrote: So while

Thompsonuxb wrote:

So while speaker placement can have a profound affect on the way your system sounds it cannot improve it.... really... if you know what I mean?
but cables on the other hand.........

...can never improve what your amplifier produces, only alter it or detract from it.

So rather like moving your speakers then, except that moving your speakers is free.

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RE: Thompsonuxb wrote: So while

nopiano wrote:
Thompsonuxb wrote:
So while speaker placement can have a profound affect on the way your system sounds it cannot improve it.... really... if you know what I mean? but cables on the other hand.........
...can never improve what your amplifier produces, only alter it or detract from it. So rather like moving your speakers then, except that moving your speakers is free.

 

was it you ?

No I disagree with that 'alter or detract' statement too, if you improve the signal the amp or your speakers recieves ( and you can with interconnects and cables) then you will not alter the sound you will improve it.....think about it before you respond.

RUBBISH IN RUBBISH OUT = QUALITY IN QUALITY OUT.......carry the 1 & devide by 2... yeah thats right.

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RE: Speaker placement not.....

'Can have a profound effect' but 'cannot improve' (sound)???? If they are not in the optimum position & u move them into a better position then that will improve the sound. Moving them will not only effect the 'path' of sound but may effect the reflection/absorbsion of sound within the room. A somewhat strange reflection I thought.

If u r saying can it better the 'ideal' sound within an anarchaic (spelling sorry) chamber then thats not realistic

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Troll.

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Speaker placement and room

Speaker placement and room acoustics have a massive affect on sound, unless you're deaf or stupid.

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Troll.

Why do you do things like that?

Etheir contribute constructively or go....f...... do you trolling in sombody elses thread

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RE: Speaker placement and room

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Speaker placement and room acoustics have a massive affect on sound, unless you're deaf or stupid.

 

... or a troll. 

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Robinok &

Robinok & letshaveit......think about this.

if you have poorly defined treble ( not so much bass in this context) and poor midrange i.e the speakers are not being controlled to their optimum by the amp or the signal being amplified is poor then moving the speakers around will have an affect but whats being produced will still be poor - so yes you can achieve a wider soundstage and yes the 'bass' will alter but the quality.....nnnnnnnnnmmm.

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RE: Thompsonuxb wrote: So while

Thompsonuxb wrote:

nopiano wrote:
Thompsonuxb wrote:
So while speaker placement can have a profound affect on the way your system sounds it cannot improve it.... really... if you know what I mean? but cables on the other hand.........
...can never improve what your amplifier produces, only alter it or detract from it. So rather like moving your speakers then, except that moving your speakers is free.

 

was it you ?

No I disagree with that 'alter or detract' statement too, if you improve the signal the amp or your speakers recieves ( and you can with interconnects and cables) then you will not alter the sound you will improve it.....think about it before you respond.

I did think about it, because every piece of wire detracts from the signal, though mostly to such a slight degre that you cannot hear it.  A good cable might sound better than a poor one because it detracts less.

Think of it like sheets of glass - the fewer between you and the beautiful view, the better it looks.

BTW, it wasn't me. 

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Speaker position can alter

Speaker position can alter the general nature of the sound. Bass can overshadow the mid and treble with a lot of speakers near a wall. The best I can describe it as is a thickening of the sound. A general change in timbre another. Again, generally, I don't think this is a good thing. Cables can also make a difference too but probably less than speaker placement in the majority of cases. Especially taking in price! A pair of rear ported floor standers should illustrate the point. It's no coincidence a lot of companies give you bungs for the rear port.

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RE: Thompsonuxb wrote: So while

nopiano wrote:

Thompsonuxb wrote:

nopiano wrote:
Thompsonuxb wrote:
So while speaker placement can have a profound affect on the way your system sounds it cannot improve it.... really... if you know what I mean? but cables on the other hand.........
...can never improve what your amplifier produces, only alter it or detract from it. So rather like moving your speakers then, except that moving your speakers is free.

 

was it you ?

No I disagree with that 'alter or detract' statement too, if you improve the signal the amp or your speakers recieves ( and you can with interconnects and cables) then you will not alter the sound you will improve it.....think about it before you respond.

I did think about it, because every piece of wire detracts from the signal, though mostly to such a slight degre that you cannot hear it.  A good cable might sound better than a poor one because it detracts less.

Think of it like sheets of glass - the fewer between you and the beautiful view, the better it looks.

BTW, it wasn't me. 

 

It was the record spot. He was right. There is no debate. 

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I can only comment on what I hear, my system pointing along the room sounded awful, speakers pointing the width of the room was back to the sound I had in my last place. So for me personally speaker placement has a massive affect on sound i hear, and what i hear is all that matters.

 

See my old thread from about a month ago.  

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RE: Thompsonuxb wrote: So while

nopiano wrote:

Thompsonuxb wrote:

nopiano wrote:
Thompsonuxb wrote:
So while speaker placement can have a profound affect on the way your system sounds it cannot improve it.... really... if you know what I mean? but cables on the other hand.........
...can never improve what your amplifier produces, only alter it or detract from it. So rather like moving your speakers then, except that moving your speakers is free.

 

was it you ?

No I disagree with that 'alter or detract' statement too, if you improve the signal the amp or your speakers recieves ( and you can with interconnects and cables) then you will not alter the sound you will improve it.....think about it before you respond.

I did think about it, because every piece of wire detracts from the signal, though mostly to such a slight degre that you cannot hear it.  A good cable might sound better than a poor one because it detracts less.

Think of it like sheets of glass - the fewer between you and the beautiful view, the better it looks.

BTW, it wasn't me. 

 

Funny you say glass, because  I look at cables like a plain of glass, the 'cleaner' it is the more light it lets in and to a degree maybe the better the cable the closer you get to the reall sound outputted by your source......thats interesting cause it ties in with the response I'm going to give to Letshaveit below....bear with me.

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RE: Robinok &

letsavit2 wrote:

I can only comment on what I hear, my system pointing along the room sounded awful, speakers pointing the width of the room was back to the sound I had in my last place. So for me personally speaker placement has a massive affect on sound i hear, and what i hear is all that matters.

 

See my old thread from about a month ago.  

I'll look for it when I return.....

what you say makes perfect sense, you're happy with the sound you are gettin in said configuration but maybe..... I'm not saying it is right, but maybe...I'm just putting it out there, right...but maybe there is room for improvement ref your systems fidelity.... I'm only saying.

in my experience when I found my speakers optimum placement regards general bass response, soundstage and imaging my next thing was to improve the systems fidelity clarity & definition, the sound quality. And while placement did have a big affect on the general sound it did not have any real impact on the sound quality.....if you know what I mean.....the quality.

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pmconcierge wrote:
Speaker position can alter the general nature of the sound. Bass can overshadow the mid and treble with a lot of speakers near a wall. The best I can describe it as is a thickening of the sound. A general change in timbre another. Again, generally, I don't think this is a good thing. Cables can also make a difference too but probably less than speaker placement in the majority of cases. Especially taking in price! A pair of rear ported floor standers should illustrate the point. It's no coincidence a lot of companies give you bungs for the rear port.

 

nnnnnnnnnnmm....yes and no.

I'll have to come back to this, good night guys....... have a good one.

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