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The Majik DSM is £2600 GBP.

There is a very good review in another magazine this month which I'm probably not allowed to mention ... their sum up was "Like: A hugely involving listen ... Dislike: Not a rythmically assertive as it could be ... Conclusion: A highly attractive proposition if you are looking for an all in one streaming solution".

I think Linn use a type of Class D amp, which (imo) compared to Class A, sound a little cold and uninvolving......though worth a listen to see if you agree.

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The Majik DSM is £2600 GBP.

There is a very good review in another magazine this month which I'm probably not allowed to mention ... their sum up was "Like: A hugely involving listen ... Dislike: Not a rythmically assertive as it could be ... Conclusion: A highly attractive proposition if you are looking for an all in one streaming solution".

I think Linn use a type of Class D amp, which (imo) compared to Class A, sound a little cold and uninvolving......though worth a listen to see if you agree.

You're probably right as always Smile ... but 50% of the time it may not be important (everyday listening), and for the other 50% Acalex can warm up the Jadis (or AMS35i if he has a change of mind! :silenced: ) and use the DSM as source via line/pre outs.

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expecting plenty more streaming & DAC solutions to hit the market over the coming months..... 

good luck with your upgrades.

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I think the main question you should ask yourself in this situation is whether you prefer more boxes on display or less. and start from there.

Actually that was never a problem. I have quite a lot of space and my gf didn't complain about having more boxes around...so not an issue there.

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expecting plenty more streaming & DAC solutions to hit the market over the coming months..... 

good luck with your upgrades.

I know, that's what really scares me off to invest a lot of minute on a single electronic box! But again, that's a relatively young market compared to amp and speakers...that's why it might take more time to understand 

For now I head one dealer telling me that it doesn't matter what, but at the same price level a all-in-one solution (he was talking about Linn products) will always sound better than a good transport + DAC. On the other hand I like the more flexibility I could have with external DAC...then I just need to decide, do I really need this flexibility if using the main system only for music? Probably not...

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who knows what devices we'll see in the future........

i'd lean towards maxing the spend on a high end DAC to complement the amp you decide on and the add the streamer separately.  you are more likely to want to change (or add) source down the line as i am sure we'll see plenty new concepts.

if you buy into 'a digital source is a digital source' then it is the DAC you like the sound of that is the key with your amp.  what gives you the digital source is the future for upgrades once you have your 'dream system' sound.

just my opinion.  is always easier to spend other people's money.....

 

 

 

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who knows what devices we'll see in the future........

i'd lean towards maxing the spend on a high end DAC to complement the amp you decide on and the add the streamer separately.  you are more likely to want to change (or add) source down the line as i am sure we'll see plenty new concepts.

if you buy into 'a digital source is a digital source' then it is the DAC you like the sound of that is the key with your amp.  what gives you the digital source is the future for upgrades once you have your 'dream system' sound.

just my opinion.  is always easier to spend other people's money.....

That was exactly my idea at the beginning. Finding the perfect high-end DAC to get the perfect sound with my amp and then upgrading the source if needed. 

This approach is anyway quite scary as I see myself at a certain moment trying a more expensive source to see if the sound improves...and then ending up with an expensive reader and expensive DAC. Plus I heard so much about this Klimax DS and Akurate DS having a kind of "vinyl sound"...but not tried yet. 

I really like all your insights as I could see things under a different perspectives. I am going anyway to try everything by myself once the amp is sorted out...

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fatman wrote:

who knows what devices we'll see in the future........

i'd lean towards maxing the spend on a high end DAC to complement the amp you decide on and the add the streamer separately.  you are more likely to want to change (or add) source down the line as i am sure we'll see plenty new concepts.

if you buy into 'a digital source is a digital source' then it is the DAC you like the sound of that is the key with your amp.  what gives you the digital source is the future for upgrades once you have your 'dream system' sound.

just my opinion.  is always easier to spend other people's money.....

 

 

 

Agreed.

 

Keep the Touch (dont think you will find a better user interface and saves having to work out a new one) and spend on a DAC.

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Agreed.

Keep the Touch (dont think you will find a better user interface and saves having to work out a new one) and spend on a DAC.

This is what I want to try sorting out...

1) will the SBT be up to the job?

2) Will the sound improve drastically IF i swap the SBT with a more expensive stremer (say for example the Linn Sneaky or the Majik DS)?

3)...having an high-end DAC (let's say Jadis, 4k eur) and a Sneaky DS (1k) I will end up same price as a second hand Klimax DS or a new Akurate. Will this combo be better than the Linn all-in-one solution?

4)Will I need, in the future, to upgrade my digital source if new technology comes out?

Once I will be able to responde to all the above questions, I will have my final answer  :cheers:

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1) will the SBT be up to the job?

You already have these ... how does it sound to you and can you live with it for a while?

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2) Will the sound improve drastically IF i swap the SBT with a more expensive stremer (say for example the Linn Sneaky or the Majik DS)?

Most people would say yes if your system is resolving enough, and it sounds as though your almost chosen system will be. But since you are using a valve amp then a very high resolution digital source might not be as important .. just a good one will do e.g. Majik DS(M).

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3)...having an high-end DAC (let's say Jadis, 4k eur) and a Sneaky DS (1k) I will end up same price as a second hand Klimax DS or a new Akurate. Will this combo be better than the Linn all-in-one solution?

4K on a DAC!!!?!?!? I would question what going over 1K on a DAC brings you in terms of sonic ability, or are you paying for the casework and low volume exclusivity/hand-made components. Have a look at North Star (an Italian company Smile ) for some of their DACs. They do some good stuff < 1.5K

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4)Will I need, in the future, to upgrade my digital source if new technology comes out?

If a digital source at least copes with 24/96 then you should be OK for a few years ... after all CDs have been around for 25 years. I think future proofing for 192/24 or higher resolutions might make a little bit of sense sense but you might be paying extra for technology that you may never use or cheaper next year, and the availability of music at this resolution is both limited and very expensive. And why spend so much when you love the turntable as a source more.

 

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3)...having an high-end DAC (let's say Jadis, 4k eur) and a Sneaky DS (1k) I will end up same price as a second hand Klimax DS or a new Akurate. Will this combo be better than the Linn all-in-one solution?

I think "better" will be simply the one you most like the sound of, I don't think there's an argument for a one-box solution being better overall at the same price--that's an oversimplification.

Here's an interesting comparision between the Weiss DAC 202 (Mac mini+Squeezebox) v the one-box Devialet.

http://ukiro.com/2011/05/03/devialet_vs_weiss-dac202/

(Mods: we're allowed to link to blogs etc under the new rules, right?)

 

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For now the SBT is holding well, but for sure is far different from what I heard at the dealer shop...and I guess great part of the sound I liked so much was due to the source (TT and expensive CDP) other than amp and great speakers.

DAC price...I am not sure a 1.5k eur DAC is the same as a 4k eur DAC. Do you really think the difference is due exclusively to the case design? Do not think so...but can't say anything so far as I haven't compared a 1k eur DAC and a 5k eur DAC. Next step is to understand if the SQ improvement is worth 4k eur...

I agree with you about digital source...I would feel more comfortable to have a 24/192 digital source at least...

Love vinyls...but I am being realistic here. Unfortunately I do not have the time every day to listen to vinyls as the streaming is so handy being able to jump from a track to another in a few seconds...

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3)...having an high-end DAC (let's say Jadis, 4k eur) and a Sneaky DS (1k) I will end up same price as a second hand Klimax DS or a new Akurate. Will this combo be better than the Linn all-in-one solution?

I think "better" will be simply the one you most like the sound of, I don't think there's an argument for a one-box solution being better overall at the same price--that's an oversimplification.

Here's an interesting comparision between the Weiss DAC 202 (Mac mini+Squeezebox) v the one-box Devialet.

http://ukiro.com/2011/05/03/devialet_vs_weiss-dac202/

(Mods: we're allowed to link to blogs etc under the new rules, right?)

Very interesting reading. Nice piece of kit as well this Weiss DAC 202...also has an headphone input which would save me around 500 eur on a separate headphone amplifier. 

Still would like to hear what a NOS DAC could do...are you also thinking that any DAC over 1k eur is pure speculation?

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You're probably right as always Smile ... but 50% of the time it may not be important (everyday listening), and for the other 50% Acalex can warm up the Jadis (or AMS35i if he has a change of mind! :silenced: ) and use the DSM as source via line/pre outs.

Hey Tino, I am still assessing both and struggling to be honest  :wall:

If you want to read where I am standing now go and check my last post on the Jadis thread which is where I am keeping all my thoughts on amp... 

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The answer to all your problems is to just forget about that cheapo MF and Jardis rubbish and just get 2 Devialet D-Premiers 

 

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