Yes I agree the amp is very warm. AMR have upgraded this in the 77.1 new version with extended bass.
To be honest I love the warm presentation, but it was the lack of control that I was concerned about with the SF 2.5's. I have tried loads of AMP's I had the Teac AI3000 for a while and found it quite bland. Before that I had a full Cyrus set up but found that too bright. I love my AM77.
Going to give the SF's 2.5's another few days then try the Ushers.
My second system is a Unison Research Unico Amp with a Pioneer PD802 as a transport via a MF Dac with a pair of DTM stand mount speakers.... does anyone know anything about DTM? british company but I can find anything about them on line. The speakers are simply amazing, bought them cheap after an audition as a present for my Dad for Christmas for his budget system, tried them at home and decided to keep them as they are that good. Got dad a set of B&W instead.
Hi Andy and welcome.
Sorry not familiar with that particular Usher speaker... I've only heard one other model and it had a very flat response, not altogether unpleasing though.
Do you have any other brands in mind?
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The other option I looked at was the new GX range from Monitor Audio..... not sure about the metal cones with the AM77? might end up being too bright.
I really like the looks of the Focal range but they seem very expensive? are they worth it? My budget was around £2-£2.5k.
IMO. The lack of control you hear is down to the low damping factor, but this softer presentation is a small price to pay for the musical, fatigue free sound.
I have found Focal sounds very well on the end of Valve sounding amps, so maybe one to try.
Hard for me to comment on MA as I don't like them.
Usher are certainly worth a listen.
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Thanks for the advice,
I have just hooked the Kudos back up for a quick comparison and they are much more in control of the bass and the room.
Mid range is as good if not better than the SF's.
The treble is not as good.
Sound stage is much fuller but that might not be down to the speakers and more my room size, the SF's are physically much larger than the Kudos so the Kudos might be filling the space correctly and the SF's might simply be too big for the sapce?
I am not a fan of the GX speakers, the grills look naff.
I will try the Ushers and might try the Focals but £5500 a pair!!! ouch !! There goes my wifes Xmas!!
You are looking at good speakers.
Are you thinking of the Focal Electra 1028BEs?....if that's the case you should be comparing at least the Mini 2s. There is also the Focal 836V.
Both Focal and Usher should give a cleaner more controlled sound than the SFs.
Do you have access to Vienna Acoustics?....maybe another possibility.
There is also Mark and Daniel Audio Labs Muse 11a that could work (if you can find them)
Don't be a stranger and let us know how you get on.
I'm also thinking of upgrading my speakers. Have you compared the Venere series to KEF R series? Can't decide between PSB Imagine T or Kef R500.
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I don't think your talking to me.....but I've great time for the R500s and have never heard any PSBs.
I wouldn't worry too much about damping factor of your amp in conjunction with a set of passive dynamic speakers. the resistance of the lead and impedance of the crossover screws the effect of damping nicely anyway. it's more important how the speaker is tuned itself rather that looking at your amp side. it looks like in case of SF the self damping of the woofer may not be fully optimised. or maybe SF severely distorts at the bottom? hence the excessive boom.
if you're looking at speakers at that price level you should maybe give an ESL a try? if you have access to Quads it will not hurt to give them a listen. failing that maybe Magnepan MG1.7 could b an option? not an ESL but very similar principle.
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SF's are going back today and will be collecting a demo of the Usher One Diamonds. Will let you know how I get on.
Here is a very interesting review: http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/index.php/loudspeakers/65-reviews/388-usher-...
According to the review, these will be the polar opposite of the SFs......and they need 7 days continuous run in before they sound right, so hopefully your demo ones have had this.
If you want a sound that's less soft and dark, these should do it. If you find they sound exceptionally clean, but verging on the over-analytical, Focal might be a happy medium (or Kef R Series / ex-dem Kef Ref 203/2).
I heard the Focal 836V on the end of some Naim gear last year, admittedly in a store demo room and I was very impressed with them... great detail and tremendous base, which could be a problem in the wrong environment.
I also once had a home demo with some Mark&Daniels... superbly made... their cabinets are made from some marbel effect rezzin and are extremely heavy... Progressive Audio in Kent would be able to get hold of these if you were interested.
Mac, what did you think of them (they are not a usual speaker on here)......and do you believe they would suit a warm, valve sounding amp?
Well after recovering from putting my neck, back and leg out liffting the Ushers in to place they are in and connected. I have never seen such a well made speaker!!
They sound totally different to the SF's and the Kudos, very nutral but 100% in control. I love the way they sound with the female voice I just cant stop playing Blonde and Adele....
The stereo image is large and very defined, each instrument has its own place but they all blend to make a very convincing sound that fills the room. There is no low end bloom or lack of control.
Going to keep listening over Christmas but so far I think I like them!!
This is all good....though I still think Focal are still worth a listen.
Let us know what your final decision is
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