I was very impressed by this "small" 20W tube amplifier driving those big speakers as loud as you want to go (we went very loud on the Flamenco Fever record) ...
... and this may well have been part of the problem.
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Dont think it had anything to do with that. I will have a better view on Saturday when speakers are a bit more used and I can play with different amplification also.
Btw I am also convinced more and more that these "low-powered" tube amplifiers are able to drive easily speakers which you won't expect.
Anyway if you are after a bright and aggressive speaker I think you are maybe looking at the wrong brand, just my personal point of view of course
Just to ad my tought's,
I didn't have a proper listening session as I was mostly walking arroun an just from time to time sat down try to be more cocentrated.
Considering the price of the set it was not bad but than I provably get spoiled
I mean it was fresh an clean. But yes I had the feeling it was to bright an it was defibetly missng som boum....Like Alec said they where brand new an the woofers need to settle. I don't think the problem came from the amp IMO thos pure Class A 20W where more than enough you could hear this little amp had plent of gripp on those big speakers.
To be honest (ot saing I'm neutral here) I think my 683's have more bass authority but it's just a tought I expect my meaning to change when I hear the speaker again when it's well runed in.
Because on the detail department is an other story but that's also what made it a bit to bright to my taste.
Bothem line for me is that I think it's a good speaker provably (for me it's to early to tell. But in the price range I heard better
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But 2 thinks before I can give you an honest tought's
1 a better listening session
2 they need to be runned in properly (the woofers need to settle in a bit more)
About the design it's personal you can see it's SF well finnished an impressive to the eyes at the first look.
Personaly I prefer a more clasical wooden finish but oké they look nice anyway except for the silver ring arround the tweeter.
So I expect them to sound better next week because once again I was not convinced by SF, I heard a fiew models by now an I was convinced only twice.
Don't get me wrong I think SF make superb product's an I'm Always impressed by what thier products but regardless what most people say they are IMO they are really picky about what you hook them up with to have the sound I'm afther but when you found the right match it absolutle heaven. An this have absolytly nthing to do with the power rating per chanel of an amp (I mean I heard SF sing with Alex's Jadis so....an it wasn't the case hooked up to the AMS).
Maybe SF sing with tube's as the 2 time's I heard theme sing was conected to a tube amp.
(even now regardles the negative points I mentioned you could feel it worked well connected to that Tube amp)
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Roby, thanks for your insights. I agree with you on most of the things...expecially on the fact that Sonus Faber and tube amps really sing together. It's a match which I have been witnessing going from great (the Mastersound + Venere) to gorgeus (my Jadis + SFG) to heaven (the Audio research set + Amati futura).
So again I don't think the 20W are responsible for lack of bass...especially because the problem wasn't bass controlled properly but just missing.
Anyway, interesting times ahead...with these amazing SFG coming home very soon
nah.... I don't think they used more than 5W RMS anyway.
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Well, again today very very impressed with the Mastersound Dueventi driving the SF Venere which, this time, had grids on.
It was way better than last week and most of the edge was gone. Still was missing something in the bass department (delaer said the woofer still had to break in) but overall it was a smooth, warm, open and rich sound. Still compared to any other SF I have heard, a little bit less laid back than usual.
Btw a system like this (Mastersound + Sonus Faber Venere + Sonos) is a giant killer for the price (around 5.5k euro for the all package). Saw the Mastersound 845 but did not have time to connect.
Tuesday evening the SFG are coming home
Bet you can't wait to get those beauties in place!
The Dueventi is the entry level Mastersound integrated, expect the SFV would have sounded even better with the Due Trenta or Compact.
For the price, sounds like the Venere's are a speaker worth considering.
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Mac, what I have heard yesterday with Dueventi driving the Venere was absolutely beautiful, also considering the price range where they position themselves (2.6k eur for amp and 2.5k eur for speakers) and you have a very balanced, smooth and powerful sounding system. To keep in mind for a 5k target system...(with a lit of bit of pressure you can get 20% off the prices of components so you could also squeeze a source in the package for that price)
Glad to see these speakers starting to shine......and it's probably a good thing the Mastersound 845 stayed where it was, as it, along with the McIntosh MC 275 and Icon Audio MB 845 (Signature) monoblocks, is an absolute classic.
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Yes, especially after I realised that master sound makes mono blocks in pure A class (50W) with no negative feedbacks at a killing price. They also very nice and already approved by the OH .
Maybe in a future... since they work so well with SF
I have had the 2.5's for over a week now on demo, thye have been running for 8 hours a day.
I have to say they are an interesting speaker.... not what I expected. They are very detailed yet soft and warm.
I did think they were bright for the first few days but now they are very warm. They do need lots of power, I have a pair of Kudos C2's that were hooked up to my AMR77 and I notice I have to have the volume setting 4 or 5 levels higher with the 2.5's running.
I like the sound a lot but not sure they are keepers, there is a lack of control on the bass leading to bloom on certain tracks that the Kudos just seem to control better.
The other thing is the plinths? they are so light weight, a single piece of glass i find the speakers pass a considerable amount of vibration to the floor.
Overall a very nice sound for most tracks but not sure I will be swaping out my Kudos just yet.
Welcome to the forum.
What an interesting amp you have (AMR AM-77).....do you have their CDP as well?
Is the floor they are sitting on a suspended wooden one?
Let us know what you decide.
Thank you for the welcome note.
I have not found the matching CDP at a reasonable price yet but I am on the look out. I have been using a Teac CD3000 from the new distinction range with fantastic results.
My floor is solid wood over a solid stone floor.
I do like the 2.5's im just not sure they are any better or worse than the Kudos C2.
I might try the Usher Dancer ones to see if they impress me. Has anyone tried them?
I have tried the 2.5 at the end of a pure class A valve amp with no negative feedbacks (20W) and was actually very impressed by the authority...they sounded so much better after a week of 24/7 playing...
I read the 6 moons review, and they said that a possible weakness of that amp, is it behaves very like a powerful Valve amp and so has a low damping factor, which can come across as slightly warmer bass, compared to the best SS amps.
I think the SFs with this amp will be very musical sounding, though it's always worth looking about...
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