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RE: Some new gear, can't say I'm impressed

Many of the recent posts, some by the OP himself, show the problem. The OP is a beginner in these areas and needs considerable guidance if he is going to but together a satisfactory system (for him) from budget components.

It is unlikely that he would get such guidance from an online retailer selling on price, so remains at the mercy of the hi-fi marketing guys who hype quite modest equipment into something it is clearly not. Expectations have been built up and the reality disappoints, often quite spectacularly.

The suggestion that he could do much better buying used equipment only really works if you know what you are buying, such a system recommended by someone more experienced would undoubtably be better value but there is still no guarantee that the OP would actually like the results.

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RE: Some new gear, can't say I'm impressed

ReValveiT wrote:

OP,

 

If you're expecting the kind of 'bass' produced from a cheap '80s / '90s Sony, with all the 'mega bass', bass EQ's etc. all turned to the max, from REAL Hi-Fi, then I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed with whatever you buy.

 

My advice : re-train your ears to appreciate a much more realistic sound from proper Hi-Fi, or go back to your old system and its overblown bass.

 

Smile

 

I do agree this is more that likely what that problem is. The sound from the Sony was so 'not real', that it became normal.

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RE: Some new gear, can't say I'm impressed

Put some Dire Straights on at lunch time when I went home, had the bass and treble at ZERO, and something called SBC(?) set to on, which I guess is like a loudness feature.

The sound was amazing, and got it up to 40 without any distortion, pure clear sound. I could of went higher but the baby was asleep upstairs and didn't want to wake him.

So it seems all is well. I would still like a sub-woofer at some point just to provide a little rumble, especially on dance music.

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I bought the DRA-N5 a few weeks ago with MA BX1 for my daughters bedroom and I am very impressed with

the sound. Playing from ipod, win 8 acer laptop and streaming from NAS also used the internet radio.

Very good only had it cranked up to about 20 and that was shaking the room and I got a shout from the boss

down stairs to 'turn it down'. Well you have to see what it can do.

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andybeau wrote:

I bought the DRA-N5 a few weeks ago with MA BX1 for my daughters bedroom and I am very impressed with

the sound. Playing from ipod, win 8 acer laptop and streaming from NAS also used the internet radio.

Very good only had it cranked up to about 20 and that was shaking the room and I got a shout from the boss

down stairs to 'turn it down'. Well you have to see what it can do.

When will people learn that the setting of the volume control is all about input level and nothing to do with output level?

The description of the sound suggests to me that the speakers were already well out of control and the amplifier close to clipping, both of which will enhance the sense of 'loudness'.

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davedotco wrote:

andybeau wrote:

I bought the DRA-N5 a few weeks ago with MA BX1 for my daughters bedroom and I am very impressed with

the sound. Playing from ipod, win 8 acer laptop and streaming from NAS also used the internet radio.

Very good only had it cranked up to about 20 and that was shaking the room and I got a shout from the boss

down stairs to 'turn it down'. Well you have to see what it can do.

When will people learn that the setting of the volume control is all about input level and nothing to do with output level?

The description of the sound suggests to me that the speakers were already well out of control and the amplifier close to clipping, both of which will enhance the sense of 'loudness'.

There was no distortion it was just loud and if you read the op he had it at 40. I was just saying what Iexperience I've had with this 

system albeit with different speakers. I like and my daughter is very happy with it. 

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andybeau wrote:

davedotco wrote:

andybeau wrote:

I bought the DRA-N5 a few weeks ago with MA BX1 for my daughters bedroom and I am very impressed with

the sound. Playing from ipod, win 8 acer laptop and streaming from NAS also used the internet radio.

Very good only had it cranked up to about 20 and that was shaking the room and I got a shout from the boss

down stairs to 'turn it down'. Well you have to see what it can do.

When will people learn that the setting of the volume control is all about input level and nothing to do with output level?

The description of the sound suggests to me that the speakers were already well out of control and the amplifier close to clipping, both of which will enhance the sense of 'loudness'.

There was no distortion it was just loud and if you read the op he had it at 40. I was just saying what Iexperience I've had with this 

system albeit with different speakers. I like and my daughter is very happy with it. 

Once again I have to say this, the setting of the volume control is irrelevant, it means nothing beyond the fact that sources with lower output levels require a higher setting than sources with a higher output level, nothing more. It is not an indicator of the power being delivered by the amplifier, not even close.

As for the quality, or otherwise, of the system in question that is a matter of judgement and no doubt we all have our views on that.

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davedotco wrote:

andybeau wrote:

davedotco wrote:

andybeau wrote:

I bought the DRA-N5 a few weeks ago with MA BX1 for my daughters bedroom and I am very impressed with

the sound. Playing from ipod, win 8 acer laptop and streaming from NAS also used the internet radio.

Very good only had it cranked up to about 20 and that was shaking the room and I got a shout from the boss

down stairs to 'turn it down'. Well you have to see what it can do.

When will people learn that the setting of the volume control is all about input level and nothing to do with output level?

The description of the sound suggests to me that the speakers were already well out of control and the amplifier close to clipping, both of which will enhance the sense of 'loudness'.

There was no distortion it was just loud and if you read the op he had it at 40. I was just saying what Iexperience I've had with this 

system albeit with different speakers. I like and my daughter is very happy with it. 

Once again I have to say this, the setting of the volume control is irrelevant, it means nothing beyond the fact that sources with lower output levels require a higher setting than sources with a higher output level, nothing more. It is not an indicator of the power being delivered by the amplifier, not even close.

As for the quality, or otherwise, of the system in question that is a matter of judgement and no doubt we all have our views on that.

All i said was it was loud and as a comparision to the op mentioned the volume setting as he said he

had his on 40. No mention of input or output levels just trying to keep it simple.

The volume setting is not irrelevant  as we are comparing same item but with different

spaekers so on here the volume setting is the only nmber we can throw in. Apart from ok 8ohm vs 4 ohm speakers.

Well if you want to get silly I was speaking as I heard and for the£359 it cost me it sounds great

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andybeau wrote:

davedotco wrote:

andybeau wrote:

davedotco wrote:

andybeau wrote:

I bought the DRA-N5 a few weeks ago with MA BX1 for my daughters bedroom and I am very impressed with

the sound. Playing from ipod, win 8 acer laptop and streaming from NAS also used the internet radio.

Very good only had it cranked up to about 20 and that was shaking the room and I got a shout from the boss

down stairs to 'turn it down'. Well you have to see what it can do.

When will people learn that the setting of the volume control is all about input level and nothing to do with output level?

The description of the sound suggests to me that the speakers were already well out of control and the amplifier close to clipping, both of which will enhance the sense of 'loudness'.

There was no distortion it was just loud and if you read the op he had it at 40. I was just saying what Iexperience I've had with this 

system albeit with different speakers. I like and my daughter is very happy with it. 

Once again I have to say this, the setting of the volume control is irrelevant, it means nothing beyond the fact that sources with lower output levels require a higher setting than sources with a higher output level, nothing more. It is not an indicator of the power being delivered by the amplifier, not even close.

As for the quality, or otherwise, of the system in question that is a matter of judgement and no doubt we all have our views on that.

All i said was it was loud and as a comparision to the op mentioned the volume setting as he said he

had his on 40. No mention of input or output levels just trying to keep it simple.

The volume setting is not irrelevant  as we are comparing same item but with different

spaekers so on here the volume setting is the only nmber we can throw in. Apart from ok 8ohm vs 4 ohm speakers.

Well if you want to get silly I was speaking as I heard and for the£359 it cost me it sounds great

And most importantly, the sources were different too. What makes you think that the output level on your sources were the same as the OP?

As I said, a source that outputs 2 volts will require a much lower setting on the volume than a source that outputs 500 millivolts, for exactly the same power output from the amplifier. Until you get your head around this you will not understand what is going on.

This is why many makers of budget and mid-fi equipment deliberately make their volume controls work in such a way that the amplifiers get loud very quickly at quite low settings of the volume control. 

This convinces the unwary that these amplifiers are very powerful and loud, the logic runs something like this.

If it goes this loud on a setting of just 20, think how loud it will be on 100.

The reality is that the amplifier is already in distress at a setting of 25 and into hard clipping at 30, many people simply do not understand this and find out the hard way, when an overdriven amplifier blows up their speakers.

 

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davedotco wrote:

andybeau wrote:

davedotco wrote:

andybeau wrote:

davedotco wrote:

andybeau wrote:

I bought the DRA-N5 a few weeks ago with MA BX1 for my daughters bedroom and I am very impressed with

the sound. Playing from ipod, win 8 acer laptop and streaming from NAS also used the internet radio.

Very good only had it cranked up to about 20 and that was shaking the room and I got a shout from the boss

down stairs to 'turn it down'. Well you have to see what it can do.

When will people learn that the setting of the volume control is all about input level and nothing to do with output level?

The description of the sound suggests to me that the speakers were already well out of control and the amplifier close to clipping, both of which will enhance the sense of 'loudness'.

There was no distortion it was just loud and if you read the op he had it at 40. I was just saying what Iexperience I've had with this 

system albeit with different speakers. I like and my daughter is very happy with it. 

Once again I have to say this, the setting of the volume control is irrelevant, it means nothing beyond the fact that sources with lower output levels require a higher setting than sources with a higher output level, nothing more. It is not an indicator of the power being delivered by the amplifier, not even close.

As for the quality, or otherwise, of the system in question that is a matter of judgement and no doubt we all have our views on that.

All i said was it was loud and as a comparision to the op mentioned the volume setting as he said he

had his on 40. No mention of input or output levels just trying to keep it simple.

The volume setting is not irrelevant  as we are comparing same item but with different

spaekers so on here the volume setting is the only nmber we can throw in. Apart from ok 8ohm vs 4 ohm speakers.

Well if you want to get silly I was speaking as I heard and for the£359 it cost me it sounds great

And most importantly, the sources were different too. What makes you think that the output level on your sources were the same as the OP?

As I said, a source that outputs 2 volts will require a much lower setting on the volume than a source that outputs 500 millivolts, for exactly the same power output from the amplifier. Until you get your head around this you will not understand what is going on.

This is why many makers of budget and mid-fi equipment deliberately make their volume controls work in such a way that the amplifiers get loud very quickly at quite low settings of the volume control. 

This convinces the unwary that these amplifiers are very powerful and loud, the logic runs something like this.

If it goes this loud on a setting of just 20, think how loud it will be on 100.

The reality is that the amplifier is already in distress at a setting of 25 and into hard clipping at 30, many people simply do not understand this and find out the hard way, when an overdriven amplifier blows up their speakers.

 

Its an all in one system with ipod dock and I tried with all sources. All i was trying to get over simply was that with the MA BX1's attached it sounded good. I don't care how loud it will be at 100 it'll never go there it was just a comparision with the op original post. I think the highest I've seen my daughter have it is 13 but thats not the point.

I understand how it works but was just trying to help the op before you got all techy and  bolshy. If you read the thread he states he is starting to enjoy it. And in the end we buy these items to enjoy the music. It doen't matter what it costs as long as it does what you want and the music sounds good to your ears.

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Not many on here will talk about voltage output of components, or understand it.  They'll talk about an amp running out of steam at a certain position on the dial.  Their view is just as valid, irrespective of their expertise or qualification with audio gear.  They're explaining their point of view in a logical way and ladling on technical references they don't use on a day to day basis probably won't tick the boxes.  

We know the amp's being driven too hard, the "why" is arguably less important than the "how" the OP was using the system and thanks to making some changes to the latter, has been able to enjoy what he's hearing.  That's a win I think?

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As for speakers its not just about Ohms its about sensitivity as well, a speaker of 86DB will be a lot different from a 90db one, it will be over 2x loudness difference.

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the record spot wrote:

Not many on here will talk about voltage output of components, or understand it.  They'll talk about an amp running out of steam at a certain position on the dial.  Their view is just as valid, irrespective of their expertise or qualification with audio gear.  They're explaining their point of view in a logical way and ladling on technical references they don't use on a day to day basis probably won't tick the boxes.  

We know the amp's being driven too hard, the "why" is arguably less important than the "how" the OP was using the system and thanks to making some changes to the latter, has been able to enjoy what he's hearing.  That's a win I think?

The OP bought a system that was, initially at least, not what he expected. Understanding how the system works will help him deal with the situation, perhaps by choosing different equipment, modifying the system or adjusting his expectations. To do that effectively you need a rough understanding of how a system works, I was simply trying to help, yet all I got was an argument, to which I reacted, bad move.

Hi-fi, particularly at this level is now so 'dumbed down' that you are probably correct, the opinion of someone who does not know what he is talking about is just as valid as the opinion of someone who does. Sadly this is all to common in modern Britain, even Mrs DDC, (a GP) finds that she gets second guessed by idiots who have 'researched the net' and think they have a clue.

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BigH wrote:

As for speakers its not just about Ohms its about sensitivity as well, a speaker of 86DB will be a lot different from a 90db one, it will be over 2x loudness difference.

Are you serious? I assume you are taking the mick, as I am sure you well know a 4dB difference in level is not remotely twice as loud.

Twice as loud is a subjective measure and generally accepted to require a change of level of roughly 10dB.

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Given all you say, how can you bear to be here Dave?

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