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RE: Some new gear, can't say I'm impressed

Using the bass lift will use considerably more power.

 Example if when set to flat you are using 20 watts for a given volume then you boost the bass control by 10db you are asking your amp to provide 200 watts.

This will clip your amp and damage your tweeters.

Do not use tone controls unless playing very quietly.

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I'll just stick with this setup. I did look at getting a seperate amp and network player, but the size of the two put me off.

Once I get a subwoofer plugged in I'm sure it'll improve things.

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The OP is badly in need of spending some time with a helpful dealer though I doubt there are many who would take the required time for such a modest spend.

In times past the OP would simply have bought a BFR ghetto blaster and got on with it, these days the marketing hype that surrounds hi-fi have convinced him, and many others that micro systems (little more than deconstructed ghetto blasters in some cases) and cheap speakers are actually capable hi-fi systems.

This is made even worse by the hugely misleading specifications of such components, the deliberately 'powereful' style of volume control and other factors designed to convince the uninformed that these low-fi audio systems will actually give them what they want. The OP's original system is no more than a reasonably capable kitchen or bedroom system designed for low level background music, though you would never guess this from the published information and marketing hype.

I am not having a go at the OP, after all we all came into this hobby knowing nothing, but the simple answer is that he has bought equipment that is totally at odds with his expectations, which would have been obvious had he had the benefit of an even half competent demonstration.

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I agree, it's a shame he didn't come on here first.  With a bit of prior advice I think he could have got a much better system for his money. One that he enjoys listening to. The used-market is full of bargains if you know what you're looking for, and with under £500 to spend that should have been the first place he headed.

I'd send it back if I were you and get a refund.  If you don't enjoy listening to it, it's wasted your money.

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MajorFubar wrote:

I agree, it's a shame he didn't come on here first.  With a bit of prior advice I think he could have got a much better system for his money. One that he enjoys listening to. The used-market is full of bargains if you know what you're looking for, and with under £500 to spend that should have been the first place he headed.

I'd send it back if I were you and get a refund.  If you don't enjoy listening to it, it's wasted your money.

Are you volunteering for the job of walking the OP through the basics of budget hi-fi? Brave man if you are.

As a dealer I had to do tis many times in admitably less complex times. It was occasionally fun but mostly tedious and rarely worthwhile.

In the end I simply set my entry level systems at about £750 (Rega, Arcam level separates) and turned away anything of lower value.

In general I would have an simple system of this type set up in he main shop area and play it to anyone looking for a cheap system.I would explain what it did and what it cost and play it to them, if they did not want to spend at that level and £750 was a fair amount of money in the early 90s, I would let them walk.

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Not everyone likes to have components in full view in there living room, personally I think they look big and outdated, hence the reason I chose the Denon.

The old Sony played tapes, 6 CDs, and the radio, it was an all in one. All the Denon does is stream music essentially, so its not an all in one.

I don't think I was expecting the earth, but something of a bit better sound and volume quality than a £200 all in one from argos, especially since it cost almost double.

I'm sat listening to it now, and the sound is clear and good quality. I guess because the Sony we had alternated the sound and increased the bass to a silly level, I was initially shocked when I first hear the Denon. Having listened to it for a while now in starting to appreciate how crisp the sound is, and with a little bass increase at low volumes it sounds great. A sub woofer st a later date will cure my need for a bit low down sound.

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davedotco wrote:

 

Are you volunteering for the job of walking the OP through the basics of budget hi-fi? Brave man if you are.

As a dealer I had to do tis many times in admitably less complex times. It was occasionally fun but mostly tedious and rarely worthwhile.

 

So you don't think that £400 could have got him a better system 'used'?

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There's a Marantz 603 on eBay for £280 BIN which I bet would would wipe the floor with his Denon. It's a £500 five-star award winner.

That leaves £120 for a decent pair of used book-shelf speakers. And at that price there's probably an army of them.

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littlened wrote:

Not everyone likes to have components in full view in there living room, personally I think they look big and outdated, hence the reason I chose the Denon.

The old Sony played tapes, 6 CDs, and the radio, it was an all in one. All the Denon does is stream music essentially, so its not an all in one.

I don't think I was expecting the earth, but something of a bit better sound and volume quality than a £200 all in one from argos, especially since it cost almost double.

I'm sat listening to it now, and the sound is clear and good quality. I guess because the Sony we had alternated the sound and increased the bass to a silly level, I was initially shocked when I first hear the Denon. Having listened to it for a while now in starting to appreciate how crisp the sound is, and with a little bass increase at low volumes it sounds great. A sub woofer st a later date will cure my need for a bit low down sound.

 

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MajorFubar wrote:

davedotco wrote:

 

Are you volunteering for the job of walking the OP through the basics of budget hi-fi? Brave man if you are.

As a dealer I had to do tis many times in admitably less complex times. It was occasionally fun but mostly tedious and rarely worthwhile.

 

So you don't think that £400 could have got him a better system 'used'?

EDIT:

There's a Marantz 603 on eBay for £280 BIN which I bet would would wipe the floor with his Denon. It's a £500 five-star award winner.

That leaves £120 for a decent pair of used book-shelf speakers. And at that price there's probably an army of them.

 

That expensive, you can get it new for under £320 inc. postage.

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That expensive, you can get it new for under £320 inc. postage.

 

there's a couple more on there which are 'bids-only' and they'll probably go for less if you're one of those who's happy to bid to save a few quid. Generally I just head for the BINs unless the price is stratospheric.  I really CBA watching something for a week then get outbid by 50p in the dying seconds.  I'd rather pay a bit more and just buy it, so long as they're not taking the pish. But each to his/her own of course.

The point I was making is it's possible to get a good sounding used HiFi for £400.  You just have to hunt around.  But Superfi (etc) aren't exactly going to tell you to scour ebay are they.  That's where we come in.  Which takes me back to the post where I said I wish he'd joined here first.

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Yes I know what you are suggesting just £280 on ebay is too much when you can get it from Richers for £314 or Superhifi for £319 new with 1 year warranty and able to exchange if it does not suit.

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BigH wrote:

Yes I know what you are suggesting just £280 on ebay is too much when you can get it from Richers for £314 or Superhifi for £319 new with 1 year warranty and able to exchange if it does not suit.

 

Makes me wonder what would have happened if he'd told Superfi that he had about £400 burning a hole in his pocket and so what deals are available on a 603 + speakers. I'd be surprised if they'd let him walk out empty handed. For example, I see they're selling Mission MX1s for £120. That's only £440 combined and I reckon even that could be haggled down if purchased together.  Money talks, and I doubt they'd turn you away unless you're taking the proverbial.

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MajorFubar wrote:

davedotco wrote:

 

Are you volunteering for the job of walking the OP through the basics of budget hi-fi? Brave man if you are.

As a dealer I had to do tis many times in admitably less complex times. It was occasionally fun but mostly tedious and rarely worthwhile.

 

So you don't think that £400 could have got him a better system 'used'?

EDIT:

There's a Marantz 603 on eBay for £280 BIN which I bet would would wipe the floor with his Denon. It's a £500 five-star award winner.

That leaves £120 for a decent pair of used book-shelf speakers. And at that price there's probably an army of them.

What the hell is it with people on this forum, why on earth are you challenging me on something that I never even touched on, do you have reading problems or something? Neither the OP nor I touched on used equipment, how on earth would you know what I think.

C'mon Major, FFS.

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Personally, given the apparent lack of experience of the OP, I think that buying secondhand would get him in even more of a pickle than he is now.

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davedotco wrote:

MajorFubar wrote:

davedotco wrote:

 

Are you volunteering for the job of walking the OP through the basics of budget hi-fi? Brave man if you are.

As a dealer I had to do tis many times in admitably less complex times. It was occasionally fun but mostly tedious and rarely worthwhile.

 

So you don't think that £400 could have got him a better system 'used'?

EDIT:

There's a Marantz 603 on eBay for £280 BIN which I bet would would wipe the floor with his Denon. It's a £500 five-star award winner.

That leaves £120 for a decent pair of used book-shelf speakers. And at that price there's probably an army of them.

What the hell is it with people on this forum, why on earth are you challenging me on something that I never even touched on, do you have reading problems or something? Neither the OP nor I touched on used equipment, how on earth would you know what I think.

C'mon Major, FFS.

Wind your neck in.  All I've said s that IMO he could have spent the same money on a used system which he would probably have been happier with.  Chrissake first post I made on the thread was supposedly agreeing with what you'd already posted. Sorry I've really not got the time to try and back-track and find out how it somehow ended in conflict.

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