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Phileas wrote:

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Their different tonal characteristics are so obvious you won't need to ABX.

The whole point of ABX is to determine whether the apparent differences really exist.

Not needed though. It wouldn't produce different results. The differences are not minor.  May as well ask me to compare the difference in taste between an apple and an orange blindfolded.

Oh I see, so at least one of them is badly flawed?

They're both different.  Whether that's good or bad depends on your tastes, the equipment you partner them with and your listening environment. Flawed? Obviously they both are in an absolute sense, as is every other amp in the world.

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May as well ask me to compare the difference in taste between an apple and an orange blindfolded.

 

Does a blindfold affect taste, as well as hearing ?

 

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Only if you're eating it, albeit granted, it's not much of a blindfold then...

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Only if you're eating it, albeit granted, it's not much of a blindfold then...

I use a dark chocolate blindfold!   Cool

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RE: So, do all amplifiers sound the same?

To the OP, IME the sonic differences are as big as anything else you choose to compare in "hi-fi".

However,  maybe in absolute terms, the differences are really quite small, but to those of use that seem to have more money than sense (myself firmly included in this group I hasten to add) believe that the differences are night and day and worth paying vast chunks of money for. I'm struggling to hear that much differences between spotify 320kbs and CDA, and as you know from my DAC experience, there aint much point in spending a wad in that direction either, but I'm pretty sure I could tell my M2 from a K2 from a Cyrus of any denomination.

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Yes.  I think if it can drive the rated ohms of your speakers, and if distortion is below .1%, every amp sounds the same.  This endless and expensive search for costly high-end amps is all manufacturers' hype (IMHO).

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No, I don't think so because the frequency level varies between 20 - 20 000 Hz the normal human range of hearing.

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Yes.  I think if it can drive the rated ohms of your speakers, and if distortion is below .1%, every amp sounds the same.  This endless and expensive search for costly high-end amps is all manufacturers' hype (IMHO).

 

Turn your statement around a little and apply the same logic to CD players Smile

 

 A £10 portable and £1000 top end player have virtually identical specifications with regard to frequency response, distortion, channel separation etc etc and many of these figures are orders of magnitude better than any amplifier could hope to achieve. Therefore... all CD players sound the same :)

 

As outlined in my earlier post, the reasons are complex but one thing you must do... trust what you hear.  

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Yes.  I think if it can drive the rated ohms of your speakers, and if distortion is below .1%, every amp sounds the same.  This endless and expensive search for costly high-end amps is all manufacturers' hype (IMHO).

 

 

 

As outlined in my earlier post, the reasons are complex but one thing you must do... trust what you hear.  

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Yes.  I think if it can drive the rated ohms of your speakers, and if distortion is below .1%, every amp sounds the same.  This endless and expensive search for costly high-end amps is all manufacturers' hype (IMHO).

No offence but that's the same (wrong) line of thinking which believes that the SQ of an amp is directly related to how loud it goes. I'm sure you would be very easily able to disprove that theory to yourself by going to listen to a number different amps, blind or not, and you don't have to spend megabucks to hear it. Listen to something from Arcam and Cyrus for example and it's blindingly obvious, their presentation is completely different to each other.

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RE: So, do all amplifiers sound the same?

So, do all amplifiers sound the same?

Let me answer your question with a question  poke, prod

Do all ears hear the same?

Do all eyes see the same?

Do we all love the same tastes?

Maybe all amps can sound the same; not sure if everyone would love it, though.

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Yes.  I think if it can drive the rated ohms of your speakers, and if distortion is below .1%, every amp sounds the same.  This endless and expensive search for costly high-end amps is all manufacturers' hype (IMHO).

No offence but that's the same (wrong) line of thinking which believes that the SQ of an amp is directly related to how loud it goes. I'm sure you would be very easily able to disprove that theory to yourself by going to listen to a number different amps, blind or not, and you don't have to spend megabucks to hear it. Listen to something from Arcam and Cyrus for example and it's blindingly obvious, their presentation is completely different to each other.

 

A lot of entry level amps sound quit similar maybe thats why there's these people who think all amps sound the same.. Most high end amp manafacturers have a signiture sound and I could tell most blindfolded although some could sound similar enough for some not too notice i suppose.. The difference from my old Cyrus to my new (on Sat excellent! ) Electrocompaniet amp is a big difference between high end sounds IMO..

Yes Something like Arcam, Cambridge, NAD etc compared to Cyrus or Musical fidelity (class d) is extremely obvious and you'd have to be deaf to not hear the difference. Even with tone controls it's the presentation that is completely different and why I have struggled to find a high end amp sound I like..

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Mooly wrote:

Illinoisian wrote:

Yes.  I think if it can drive the rated ohms of your speakers, and if distortion is below .1%, every amp sounds the same.  This endless and expensive search for costly high-end amps is all manufacturers' hype (IMHO).

 

 

 

As outlined in my earlier post, the reasons are complex but one thing you must do... trust what you hear.  

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Probably the single most unreliable part of the hifi chain. Whilst everything else is measurable and can be logically explained, even cables, your hearing, connected to your vision and often some wishful thinking is for sure capable of making a right old mess of things ... or of course create magic. It is however is a bit of a hit and miss affair ... like most things hifi.

Great isn't it?

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I don't care, I choose on looks anyway 

 

on another note, are there really that many amps with comparable specs? Will Electrocompaniet Nemos have similar specs to 600w McIntosh or Bryston mono blocks? Or is there anything in the specs that helps explain the differences in sound?