Ok. I am still learning about Hi Fi and careful matching, and you have made a fair point.
You think it is better to swap the amp, instead of the speakers for a pair of B&Ws say. Surely their must be some speakers out there that creat a sonic signature with the Roksan, other than Roksan speakers.
The reviews for the Roksan say it can be matched with many speakers. I guess I was just unlucky.
And I don't mean to sound sour, but this whole experience has left a bad taste in my mouth!
I'm sure there are some speakers that will work better with the Roksan amp but I'd make the following points:
1. Richer's policy with the 740A and 840A means that you can try the Cambridge amp without any risk. It will tell you conclusively (after you have run the amp in properly) whether it is the amp or the speakers that you don't like.
2. The Mezzos are amongst the best speakers around at the moment, whereas there are better amps around than the Kandy now, including the 840A.
3. The amp will be rather easier to sell than the speakers because there is always demand for brands such as Roksan (due to the reviews) and because people are usually more happy to pay good money for a 2nd hand amp than for 2nd hand speakers. The amp can also be posted more easily if need be.
If you really don't want to change the amp, then the other speakers I'd be looking at are the B&Ws 684s or the Monitor Audio RS6, although the RS6 are probably going to have the same issues as you are currently experiencing. The 684s will tone down the top end, but you might find them a little too safe sounding.
Rega RP3/Elys 2 - Graham Slee Gram Amp 1 - Rega Apollo R - Exposure 1010 amp - Dynaudio DM2/6 - Chord Co. Chameleon VEE3/Rumour 2 - Musical Fidelity V90-HPA - Sennheiser HD595
I feel for you but £1k is a lot to spend without listening to it all together first.
My point with the 840A as Matthew said is that MS and CA are going to match and you can at least hear at home whether or not it's your amp that's the problem with a no quibble return offered by RS.
The reason I suggested this a few posts earlier is because its exactly what I'm doing at the moment. 30 days is plenty of time to run in and audition the 840c. Whilst you're doing this run the roksan in quietly in another room if you have a spare cdp. Then see how you get on with the 840c (don't expect an instant fix - defo needs a good run in.)Compare the roksan again in a couple of weeks time, and either sell the roksan or take the 840c back.
The naims quite pushy imo - and you can't trial it as easily. Try the 840 you've got nothing to lose.
Oh and Matthew - are running cambridge with the mezzo 2's? Heh I understand if you don't want to comment yet and jinx the new kit!!
I meant the 840a .The c, of course, is the cdp. I may have drunk too much wine.
Yes I'm running a Cambridge amp (with my existing Cambridge CD player through the Musical Fidelity V-DAC). I'll reveal which one and say more at a later date, but there is a definite and real synergy there. :-)
(Much to my surprise, the NAD was coming unstuck a bit with the 685/Mezzo 2 level of speaker. I tried both of those models and the Dali Ikon 1s, and the NAD was out of its depth.)
before you spend anymore money can you borrow or already have a different source that you can plug in and test.ÿ
This is the trouble when you try and buy a mid range system. I wish What Hi Fi would put a page together of what goes with what. That would be really helpful.
If your are reading What Hi Fi, then there is a tip to help us readers out here.
Matthew, are you using the 840A? If so, how does it compare, in your opinion, to your old Denon 1500AE?
No, not the 840A at present. I'm using a 640A which has surprised me with how good it is. If I carry on enjoying the 640A, the 840A will probably be the ultimate aim to get the very best out of the Mezzos but, at present, funds don't allow and I've got to be sensible!
Regarding the Denon, it was very good, but not worth the money and it didn't have the clarity and detail resolution of the Cambridge amps. I'm starting to wish I'd kept the 740C/740A combo I had before the Denon, and just upgraded the speakers to Mezzo 2s then. Think I would have saved myself a lot of heartache and I'd have been a lot happier. I've come to realise what great performance per pound Cambridge kit gives. Sometimes its hard to see the wood for the trees with all this hi-fi lark.
Rega RP3/Elys 2 - Graham Slee Gram Amp 1 - Rotel RCD965BX - Exposure 1010 amp - Dynaudio DM2/6 - Chord Co. Chameleon VEE3/Rumour 2 - Musical Fidelity V90-HPA - Sennheiser HD595
YEs matthew let us know."Much to my surprise, the NAD was coming unstuck a bit with the 685/Mezzo 2 level of speaker. I tried both of those models and the Dali Ikon 1s, and the NAD was out of its depth" could you explain this better? my english might not be so good...thx.
I've recently bought the K2 amp with the matching cd player. Initially I had the Sonus Faber Concertino: the sound was excelent, especially compared to the NAD I used to have: warm and detailed (the SF need a lot of power to be driven, since their sensitivity is low). After a couple of weeks I decided to change them, and after some demo I choose the Epos M16i: the sound now is brilliant, more open, and the bass is more present...I really like them!! The volume is around 11, but depends on the recording. Honestly I've found the system more revealing now, and with some pop recordings may sounds flat (this didnt happen using the SF), but I tend to listen to different music.
The NAD works very well with budget speakers (£150-£200) where its slight warmth and the slightly emphasised bass helps to balance things out a little. Its also a very musical little amp and, with the right partners, very enjoyable.
However, its not the most detailed or rhythmic amplifier and, as you improve the speakers, the warmth brings a muddy quality to music, particularly in the mid-range. The lack of rhythmic drive also becomes more of a problem and everything starts to sound slightly slow, and safe.
Out of the three speakers I tried it worked best with the B&W 685s, but the overall presentation lacked energy and life. The very revealing little Dali Ikons quickly showed up the lack of drive and tunefulness in the bass. With the Mezzo 2s, the NAD struggled to inject any sense of air or atmosphere into the music and I could tell that it had reached the maximum of what it could do.
Still a great little amp, but I now realise it only really works in a very entry level system.
I dont understand i heard the mezzo's 6 with the 640A and it seemed to lack bass...well...infact they didn't sound bad , at least dont sound tyring at all
To answer your question about the MS speakers being bass light from the other thread, I will say that MS and Cambridge Audio equipment both tend to give you exactly what is on the recording rather than padding out bass-light recordings. They aren't lacking in bass though - if its there on the original recording, you will hear it. Its a very honest approach to reproduction.
One thing to bear in mind.... Both the speakers and the amp need a decent amount of running in. Out of the box they do sound a bit bright and light, but once they have been used for a few hours everything clicks into place. The Mezzos are my 3rd pair of MS speakers made under their current ownership, and this need for a break-in period has been common to all three (the earlier pair I had (I've had 4 in total) were MS15s which didn't use the current cone materials, so were different in this respect).