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Roksan K2 CDS Vs Marantz CD63SE

Some of the discussion on another thread, concerning the Roksan K2 amplifier and then, by extension the K2 CD player got me thinking.  PP reminded me that I haven't always been completely happy with the K2 CD player and some of the comments by davedotco and others about the aggressive nature of the K2 amp's sound chimed with some of the reservations I've had over time about the CD player.  I've had to work hard to get a pleasing sound from the CD player, and although I have largely been very happy with it since I started using the Exposure amp and Dynaudio speakers, this afternoon's discussion did make some of the reservations re-surface in my mind.

So, by way of comparison, I decided it might be informative to pull out my old Marantz CD63SE, just to see how it fared.  In some ways I'm shocked but in others I'm not.  The CD63SE is more musical than the Roksan.  It still has plenty of dynamic capability but somehow it sounds more coherent and works really well with the rest of the system. 

I did use it (and the Rotel RCD965BX) for a while when the Roksan was away having a new display module and thoroughly enjoyed it then. Right now I'm playing 'The Lark Ascending' as recorded by the wonderful Nicola Benedetti and it sounds superbly natural with plenty of atmosphere and a very inviting quality.

I'll see how it goes over the next few days.

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RE: Roksan K2 CDS Vs Marantz CD63SE

I suspect you know what I'm going to say!  I've been listening to the Marantz SA8005 both on speakers and through headphones and it is brilliant.  It is very revealing so bad recordings are exposed.  My long time favourite Boult Brahms 4th has been exposed somewhat!  The Jenniffer Warnes "Famous Blue Raincoat" album sounds better than ever and the great man's voice in "Joan of Arc" sounds truly wonderful, full of gravel! 

Give it a listen.

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In due course I probably will, although I can't afford to yet.

In the meantime the CD63SE is showing the Roksan to be a bit of a musical sledgehammer, just as you described the amp.

I will probably look out for a tidy 2nd hand Marantz SACD player over the next few weeks.

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RE: Roksan K2 CDS Vs Marantz CD63SE

Big fan of the seducing allrounder CD-63SE.  It made my Pioneer A400 catholic. lol

I would just stick with it as it seems to improve every bit of kit that interacts with it. 

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I'm not shocked by this. When I feel like spinning a CD instead of streaming from the Mac, my CD63KI rewards me with a hugely involving listen. The SE will be broadly similar. I keep threatening to sell it, but I know I would regret it.

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Big fan of the seducing allrounder CD-63SE.  It made my Pioneer A400 catholic. lol

I would just stick with it as it seems to improve every bit of kit that interacts with it. 

ROFL

It is a bit creaky, that's the only issue.  I'd like SACD playback as well really as many of the classical CDs I'm buying are dual layer.  Some of the interesting catalogues from the likes of BIS and Marinsky are all SACD dual layers. 

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RE: Roksan K2 CDS Vs Marantz CD63SE

I picked up a near mint CD-63KI the other week for throwaway money.  Rather nice it is too so I've two excellent dedicated CD players that deliver in spades.  I like the Marantz, but it does sound a tad too robust in the bass at times.  

The AVI player (which was three times the price of the Marantz on release) has all the body of the Marantz player, but retains more control of the music across the board.  Both are hugely enjoyable for different reasons and the Marantz player is a real legend.  

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I will probably look out for a tidy 2nd hand Marantz SACD player over the next few weeks.

Hi Matthew

If you want to go with Marantz then try and get a hold of an SA1 SACD player otherwise I wouldn't really bother.

All the best

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matthewpiano wrote:

I will probably look out for a tidy 2nd hand Marantz SACD player over the next few weeks.

Hi Matthew

If you want to go with Marantz then try and get a hold of an SA1 SACD player otherwise I wouldn't really bother.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

What would you suggest otherwise Rick?

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It is a bit creaky, that's the only issue.  I'd like SACD playback as well really as many of the classical CDs I'm buying are dual layer.  Some of the interesting catalogues from the likes of BIS and Marinsky are all SACD dual layers. 

 

The BIS Mendelssohn Complete Cocertos disc is interesting - four hours in duration and uses all four layers of the disc.  Brilliant stuff.  Still haven't listened to it end-to-end.  Never had the time!

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What would you suggest otherwise Rick?

Regards, M.

 

Seeing as I had an SA-7001 KI for some years, I'd suggest you get one of those if you want to dip your toe in the SACD water but with an excellent player for reasonable money.  The SA1 is like hen's teeth and would set you back hundreds.  

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matthewpiano wrote:
Some of the discussion on another thread, concerning the Roksan K2 amplifier and then, by extension the K2 CD player got me thinking.  PP reminded me that I haven't always been completely happy with the K2 CD player and some of the comments by davedotco and others about the aggressive nature of the K2 amp's sound chimed with some of the reservations I've had over time about the CD player.  I've had to work hard to get a pleasing sound from the CD player, and although I have largely been very happy with it since I started using the Exposure amp and Dynaudio speakers, this afternoon's discussion did make some of the reservations re-surface in my mind. So, by way of comparison, I decided it might be informative to pull out my old Marantz CD63SE, just to see how it fared.  In some ways I'm shocked but in others I'm not.  The CD63SE is more musical than the Roksan.  It still has plenty of dynamic capability but somehow it sounds more coherent and works really well with the rest of the system.  I did use it (and the Rotel RCD965BX) for a while when the Roksan was away having a new display module and thoroughly enjoyed it then. Right now I'm playing 'The Lark Ascending' as recorded by the wonderful Nicola Benedetti and it sounds superbly natural with plenty of atmosphere and a very inviting quality. I'll see how it goes over the next few days.

Matthew - take your Exposure along to a Naim dealer and have a listen to a CD5si or, if possible, CD5i.

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A bit expensive at present PP.  If I could afford that sort of money I'd either go for the SACD-able SA8005, Denon DCD1510AE or (probably more likely on balance) the Consonance CD120 Linear (and do without the SACD capability). 

SACD players seem to be few and far between and the other complication is that I can't stand noisy mechanisms because they can be really intrusive when listening to solo piano music.  It was the big reason why I got shot of a Sony SCD-XA1200ES a few years ago.

The truth is there aren't that many good CD players around. The CD6005 is fine but really no better than the CD63SE.  The Cambridge 651C is perhaps the only other really good budget player until you get to the Exposure 1010.

I may just see how things go for a while.  Then I think the options may well be:

1. Seek out a slightly less creaky CD63SE or 63 KI-Signature (probably the latter)

2. Switch to something equivalent new - probably a 651C.

3. Look for a DAC to use with the Roksan - Musical Fidelity V90DAC might do the trick, given that I really enjoy the V90HPA through its USB input on my headphone/computer set-up.

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MP, don't start chopping and changing again!  Take it from me, I've done side by side comparisons and the difference between a £1500 CD player in the shape of the AVI and two players in the £500-600 region are minimal and not worth the difference.  Especially between the Marantz SA7001-KI and the AVI.  

 

You can easily pick up a cheap secondhand player that won't have a noisy mechanism.  Try the Denon DVD-3930 which was an excellent universal player and which you'll get for under £150 and very likely mint.  Sound quality was again excellent and build couldn't be faulted.  It was £1000 in 2007.  Picture quality is good too.  However I would still recommend the likes of the aforesaid SA7001-KI, or the standard model.

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The truth is there aren't that many good CD players around. The CD6005 is fine but really no better than the CD63SE.  The Cambridge 651C is perhaps the only other really good budget player until you get to the Exposure 1010.

Their prices aren't that far apart (about £50 - £65 difference depending on where bought) and i'd have thought a complete 1010 pairing would make sense.

You have a K2 CD player to sell (plus any others you have stored away like your CD63SE) so it's not going to cost a lot.

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matthewpiano wrote:

The truth is there aren't that many good CD players around. The CD6005 is fine but really no better than the CD63SE.  The Cambridge 651C is perhaps the only other really good budget player until you get to the Exposure 1010.

Their prices aren't that far apart (about £50 - £65 difference depending on where bought) and i'd have thought a complete 1010 pairing would make sense.

You have a K2 CD player to sell (plus any others you have stored away like your CD63SE) so it's not going to cost a lot.

You may well be right Chebby.  I heard the 1010 CD player when I bought the amp and it is lovely.

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