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Well, the naysayers also need to prove they're right, and they haven't yet.

 

In the case of the op who claims he can hear differences between cables 100% of the time, he should go and do the tests and collect the money, unless he's doesn't believe in what he says?  Surely that's going to be proof enough one way or another in that particular case isn't it?

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Interesting piece of research here.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23717228 It indicates that classical performances judged by experts are won more on their visual aspect of their performance rather than the actual sound and that lay observers could better predict the winner if the sound was off.... Foood for thought for those golden eared contributors who don't need blind tests to know that cables sound different....

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Well, the naysayers also need to prove they're right, and they haven't yet.

Source plus source cable is very important if you use a turntable. Technics famously, if I remember correctly, got their cable capacitance wrong on one model of the SL1210 once and had to do a very quick about face when the complaints rolled in.

Yes my freind all the naysayers are claimimg that they have the ultimative true just because they can't notice any difference between good

cabels to cheap ones . they are sure that   the Hi Fi  cabels industery is a huge scam god bless them .

Maybe  all the  magazines  making reviews and ratings on cabels are wrong and unreliable and are a part of the scam as well ?

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Well, the naysayers also need to prove they're right, and they haven't yet.

Source plus source cable is very important if you use a turntable. Technics famously, if I remember correctly, got their cable capacitance wrong on one model of the SL1210 once and had to do a very quick about face when the complaints rolled in.

Yes my freind all the naysayers are claimimg that they have the ultimative true just because they can't notice any difference between good

cabels to cheap ones . they are sure that   the Hi Fi  cabels industery is a huge scam god bless them .

Maybe  all the  magazines  making reviews and ratings on cabels are wrong and unreliable and are a part of the scam as well ?

 

So, to answer the question we all want to know the answer to, will you be taking up the Randi challenge to prove it once and for all?

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Well, the naysayers also need to prove they're right, and they haven't yet.

There's plenty of evidence in this blog if you click on all of the links: Clicky

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Maybe  all the  magazines  making reviews and ratings on cabels are wrong and unreliable

The WHF reviewers have been asked if they'd be willing to back up their cable review claims by taking part in a blind test. Clicky

 

I've been politely asking them this for one and a half years now but they refuse to reply to my question. :shame:

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Cheeseboy, what blind tests have you undertaken?

No-one (apart from ISAC69 and the occasional night and day person) says there is a massive difference, but there is a stack of anecdotal evidence that says some differences are discernible, and, as I said with Technics, real evidence a cable can have an audible and measurable negative effect.

Personally I can't see why people bother to listen to cables at all, sighted or not. It's the other bits that make the sound, but if people hear differences, that's fine, and I see no reason to disbelieve them. You never know, science could prove them right one day.

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Cheeseboy, what blind tests have you undertaken?

 

a couple of interconnect, speaker cable tests and digital ones.  None were super serious, everything covered, one person chaging.  Never really heard discernable difference in the "night or day camp" and the control (ie none got changed) yeilded the same results which lead me to believe that most of the time it's just the brain and especially my brain, meaning that I could put the same track on twice and if I listened hard enough I could hear differences even though nothing has changed - it's more the case that I am telling my brain to listen for stuff.  Now speakers/amps etc, the meat and potatoes if you will, and especially room acoustics are a different matter all together.  I've also been involved in and done quite a lot of studio time, so I know the difference a treated room makes compared to a semi with odd walls and laminate flooring for example. 

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No-one (apart from ISAC69 and the occasional night and day person) says there is a massive difference,

yep, that's why I want to see him claim him 1 million as he believes he can hear the difference every time.

 

 

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but there is a stack of anecdotal evidence that says some differences are discernible,

There's also a stack of evidence to say there are no differences.  I'm not bothered with that, I'm botehred about ISAC69 providing proof of his magical ears Wink

 

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and, as I said with Technics, real evidence a cable can have an audible and measurable negative effect.

never questioned that...

altruistic.lemon wrote:

Personally I can't see why people bother to listen to cables at all, sighted or not. It's the other bits that make the sound, but if people hear differences, that's fine, and I see no reason to disbelieve them. You never know, science could prove them right one day.

I kind of agree to a certain extent about if people want to/do hear differences, but the bit about science is we already have in some cases science proving that there are no differences (HDMI being the prime example) yet people still say that there are differences, which is the odd bit, and why it turns in to absolute blind faith, which is kind of odd really as it's just a bit of electronics.

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You don't need magical ears to notice difference between good cables to cheap ones . I admit that on digital and USB  cabels 

the difference is  minor but on analog and speaker cabels the difference is obvious .

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You don't need magical ears to notice difference between good cables to cheap ones . I admit that on digital and USB  cabels 

the difference is  minor but on analog and speaker cabels the difference is obvious .

 

so you're not going to take up the Randi offer and prove your ears are that magical then? 

 

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Hi cheeseboy , I had a freind who has an expensive Hi Fi system but had the basic cabels of  Van Der Hul  he belivd that all the cables issue is 

a voodoo and refused to  invest money on them .  I convinced him to demo  the more expensive cabels of  VDH  with his system and he  had to admit 

that the improvement was huge  . good cables are not design to alter the sound but to fulfill the best potential of your systme . If your Hi Fi system 

or music sources are bad even the most expensive cabels will not improve anything .

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ISAC69 wrote:

Hi cheeseboy , I had a freind who has an expensive Hi Fi system but had the basic cabels of  Van Der Hul  he belivd that all the cables issue is 

a voodoo and refused to  invest money on them .  I convinced him to demo  the more expensive cabels of  VDH  with his system and he  had to admit 

that the improvement was huge  . good cables are not design to alter the sound but to fulfill the best potential of your systme . If your Hi Fi system 

or music sources are bad even the most expensive cabels will not improve anything .

I've said this before but it's worth repeating again. Smile

 

Digital cables make no difference to the sound quality. They either work or they don't.

 

It is possible to hear a slight difference with some analogue cables in extreme circumstances though. Good analogue cables don't add any noticeable distortion so they all sound the same because they can't make the original signal any better than it already is. Bad cables that do add distortion can make it worse though and I suspect this is what often gets mistaken for an 'improvement' with some of the overpriced audiophile cables.

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I have the ultimative cabel true. 

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steve_1979 wrote:

ISAC69 wrote:

Hi cheeseboy , I had a freind who has an expensive Hi Fi system but had the basic cabels of  Van Der Hul  he belivd that all the cables issue is 

a voodoo and refused to  invest money on them .  I convinced him to demo  the more expensive cabels of  VDH  with his system and he  had to admit 

that the improvement was huge  . good cables are not design to alter the sound but to fulfill the best potential of your systme . If your Hi Fi system 

or music sources are bad even the most expensive cabels will not improve anything .

I've said this before but it's worth repeating again. Smile

 

Digital cables make no difference to the sound quality. They either work or they don't.

 

It is possible to hear a slight difference with some analogue cables in extreme circumstances though. Good analogue cables don't add any noticeable distortion so they all sound the same because they can't make the original signal any better than it already is. Bad cables that do add distortion can make it worse though and I suspect this is what often gets mistaken for an 'improvement' with some of the overpriced audiophile cables.

 

:clap:

Good cables are more transparent and have lower distortion than the cheaper ones .  Good  HiFi systems / music sources needs better cabels .

 

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I have tried to stay away from this thread but this is bordering on ridiculous!

The biggest change you could make is maybe change your amp, then you dont need to spend £££££s on cables to change the sound

I tried Graham Slee cable - no difference so gone back to quality copper cable - maybe change your amp fella

 

 

 

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