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PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

Any thoughts?

 

Given the choice, and bearing in mind that I am not changing my amplification, which would you go for in a room measuring 5.5m x 4.5m x 2.8m (high)? 

 

Music taste is modern eclectic from Adele through to Prodigy.

 

Listening levels moderate most of the time.

 

Any advice gratefully received.

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

They are very different in presentation, depsite both being PMC, if that makes sense. Have you heard them both?

I havent hear the Facts specifically with Bryston amplification, but I would go Fact personally.

I love them  :oops:

 

If it was me I would go for less neutral amplification tho, but Im sure they will sound great with Bryston.

 

As an aside I suspect that room may be a little smaller than ideal with the PB1i's. Probably fine if its just a listening room, but if its multipurpose could be interesintg. YMMV.

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

Thanks gregvet. I haven't heard either yet but my dealer is happy to let me have both for an extended home trial. I am also a little worried about room compatibility with the PB1i's having read that they need "a couple of feet behind them". That ain't happening!

 

I have been through all of the Kef R's and loved the dynamism and imaging that the R300's gave me. I moved up the R range to get some more low end in to the mix but that has come at the expense of the stereo imaging. Really hoping that one of these models will give me that back.

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

Hi, does your choice have to be this narrow? 

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

I cant compare directly to the Kef's (although from what I have heard, they are great speakers), as I havent heard them in the same system.

My feeling is that the Fact 8's will give better stereo imaging, better detail, more air, and better driver integration. The PB1i's will go lower, and have much more bass. I suspect they will go significantly louder too. The PB1i's will likely be closer to the R900's in terms of balance, although they will be a class or two above.

There may be issues with the PB1i's bass if you dont give them at least 18 inches space, IMO.

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

Are you sure.?

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

What Iceman said. At that price point there are so many alternatives worth listening to if you have the time and patience. 

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

Both of the PMC models mentioned will deliver significant gains over the KEF's. Is it the PB1 sigs that you are looking at and not the PB1's? The Signature verisons are all finished as far as I am aware. The speakers are different in presentation although share a common voice and I like both of them a great deal.  The PB1 Sigs would be my choice of the two - the FACTs are great but the weight to the sound in the PBs is lovely.

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

In my experience the Fact 8s will give a faster, leaner sound while the PB1is will deliver more bass weight and overall scale. They're both great speakers. If you have the chance to try them at home I'm sure it'll be easy to figure out which one is best.

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

Gazzip wrote:

Thanks gregvet. I haven't heard either yet but my dealer is happy to let me have both for an extended home trial. I am also a little worried about room compatibility with the PB1i's having read that they need "a couple of feet behind them". That ain't happening!

 

I have been through all of the Kef R's and loved the dynamism and imaging that the R300's gave me. I moved up the R range to get some more low end in to the mix but that has come at the expense of the stereo imaging. Really hoping that one of these models will give me that back.

 

Add a sub ...

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

Both the PB1i's and the Fact 8's are superb speakers but have a quite different balance of strengths .

I have owned the original PB1i's for over two years and I am still constantly amazed by just how incredible they are .

 They go very deep in the bass and I mean VERY deep , I fully believe the spec's when they say they go down to 24 Hz but It is not that one note thump that you get from most other speakers or subs but  instead they give a slightly softer textured detailed natural bass that is so realistic .

Bass instruments are easy to separate and identify and each instrument has it's own identifying character , this acts as a platform for the mid range which is very strong and detailed and maybe a touch forward but never harsh .

The top end is detailed and equally balanced with the rest of the sound but beware of putting the speaker too close to any hard surfaces such as a side wall because the wide dispersion design of the tweeter can cause the wall to act as a reflector .

The dynamics the Pb1i can reproduce are nothing short of astonishing even at relatively low levels but when the wick is turned up it sound pretty close to live music with the right recording and source Smile

I have heard the Fact 8's and their balance is quite different , they are much much  lighter and a little tighter in the bass region but with the right recording the soundstage and detail  is amazing , they can't deliver anywhere near the power and weight that the PB1i can but they make up for this with delicacy and ultra detail , I can see why so many people love them .

As always the only way to see which one suits you and you room is to try them at home but either way you can't go far wrong , I am surprised that you have not included the OB1i for audition . The OB1i would be ideal if the PB1i overpowers your room .

 

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

PB1i Sigs on the way for home testing.

We shall see..... Fingers crossed!

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

Gazzip wrote:

PB1i Sigs on the way for home testing.

We shall see..... Fingers crossed!

Excellent :grin:  I am looking forward to your review . :type:

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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

Exciting. How long are you allowed them for, and will you have the facts at the same time for direct comparison, or will they come after?

looking forward to hearing your findings. 

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I have them until Monday. Facts to follow..... if I need them.....  Wink

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Hi Gazzip, I'll be really

Hi Gazzip,

I'll be really interested in how you get on, being a big Bryston/PMC fan myself it took me a long time to get to grips with the Fact8's so give yourself plenty of time to accumalate to them, for me now though, other than the professional range, the Fact 8's are the best speaker in the PMC range at the moment.

I never used to think that though as I was so used to the i series sound, which is more laid back and richer, I initially found Facts to be a little lean and too detailed, but after spending so much time listening to the twenty range, which are voiced quite similar, I revisited the Facts and wondered what my problem was in the past.

Now I love that detail, when going back to the i series now I really miss that top end clarity and insight, plus thanks to the smallish drivers you get a really fast, tight and punchy bass, they are an extremely fast speaker.

They were once described to me as a passive speaker that give you a real taste of an active sound, which is spot on.

Saying that the PB's are brilliant speakers, the great thing being that the PB's and Facts are so different in their presentations you have a real choice, either way paired with Bryston you can't go wrong.

Keep us posted  Smile

 

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