Here Here Michael. Dont worry about spelling and grammar my friend! Mines not always the best of class sir.
What matters is you have grasped the concept, and god love you for that. Vinyl is still out there, in my opinion is still about the best sounding format.(If you can afford the thousands it needs to do it justice.) BUT... most music is now stored and relayed digitally. Its the future, there it is. So why cant we have it at high res please? ALL of it please, at a reasonable price?
We can dream i spose( Bad grandma example!) On a serious note now. Keep on with the good work, hesitate not.
You can count upon my support. Hopefully many more of us that will support you also.
The thread seems to read like monty python's "What did the roman's ever do for us" .
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Surely we can agree that there are some things that must be spelt and punctuated correctly...
...laws, application forms, CVs, books/newspapers/magazines, instruction manuals, patents, scientific journals, examination papers, textbooks, websites, official documents, contracts... and so on... etc.
I would think the text of a petition falls into that category.
It is an appeal or request or demand, representing the wishes of many people, to an authority or other body that has the power to effect change. If that appeal is rendered in the least part incoherent (or ambiguous) by grammatical errors, or poor spelling, then it's impact on the recipient is diminished to some degree.
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No, but your opening line indicated it was an appeal for broad agreement
Just read this... Don't know if others have read it. While I've signed the petition I hope we're not being subject to marketing hype from the existing retailers of
Hi res tracks.
just going to compare a 24/192 version of 'redemption song' to the 16/44 version on cd. I'll get back to you.
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To compare apples to apples, you would need to make your own 16/44 version of the 'high-res' track and then compare the two. The high res download could be a different master (very likely) than the original 16/44 version.
There is a program called Audacity, which can be used to compress the high res file.
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Assuming its the same mix, if he compares the CD to the 24 Bit file, surely that would give him a better idea of what to expect if that and other music was released as 24 Bit in the first place?
No not really because it's very likely that most hi-res files out there in internet land are sourced from different masters to the CDs, certainly for old stuff recorded on analogue tape. If you really want to hear only the difference between 24/96 (etc) and 16/44, the only real way is to start with the hi-res file, convert it to 16/44 and compare the two that way.
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so perhaps my concerns re hype might be borne out then. If there are too many variables involved in knowing whether the 24/192 copy you have is better than 16/44 copy then what's the point of hi res, shouldn't we the just concentrate on finding the best bang for our buck reproduction of bog standard 16/44 CDs?
This, to me, is old news. What we should be asking for is not so called 'hi-res' recordings (which aren't hi-res at all, it's merely an extended frequency range - and as the link shows, that's debateable), but properly mastered ones. Record companies could offer two versions to download, one for lo-fi car stereos/kitchen radios/etc. and one unadulterated, free from unnecessary compression, hifi version - and 16/44.1 is good enough for that. I'm happy to download 'hi-res' though, if it's the only way to get better masters.
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Perhaps they are. I've done a conversion to see for myself.
I only ever buy CDs and always will as long as they are available.
After listening to the peoples comments on various forums the petition title has been changed to:
“Stop the loudness wars and release High Definition Music Downloads”
Petition Link: http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-the-loudness-wars-and-release-high-definition-music-downloads
Facebook Group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/463034807076103/
I had emailed all those who signed the petition for comment before doing so.
Please note that while many would like to see a fundamental change within the industry so that no record is heavily compressed, this is not realistic as no doubt the record labels / retailers would argue that many people prefer the music “louder” (Even though we may fundamentally disagree).
Instead the petition focus would be for record labels and retailers to offer uncompressed downloads alongside the “mainstream offering” in the download market in both 16 Bit & 24 Bit format. It’s not realistic to expect an uncompressed CD to be brought to market alongside the “normal” version.
My personal opinion is that if a new product market is created the focus should be on 24 Bit downloads and advertised as “the best”, as even modestly priced equipment is able to playback 24 Bit files and it’s also important for the industry to move forward.
If you agree and haven’t already done so, please sign the petition and ask your friends to do so too.
If change is ever going to happen then we need people’s participation. Thanks
I have been asked by a few people what my objective is with the petition and what I’m I going to do with it, for clarification my broad intentions are below. Bear in mind, it’s still very early days, which is why I intent to use the facebook group as a place to take on board peoples suggestions and advice.
Objective: To raise the issue of compression and availability of high quality downloads with major record labels and online retailers
When: Once I / others (facebook group) believe that the petition has reached its peak, or has reached a number that I believe would warrant notice, ideally between 2000 – 3000 people.
How: By letter to each of the major record labels and online retailers. The letter would bring to their attention the petition and ask them to take into consideration our views and ask them for comments (future plans etc). I plan on using the facebook group to communicate draft versions of any final letter, to accompany the petition letter for people to comment on and who to write to. I will them email all those who signed the petition before it gets sent for comment.
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