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Hi Cno,

Oops the AMS slipped my mind, but to be honest I can't find anywhere to get a home demo and I'd be in the same boat with regards to the juice it uses.

It's AE who have made me the offer, but have a few other people interested and given me first refusal, so on this occasion unwilling to give a home demo.

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Mac

Mac, is there something about the sound you are trying to improve, or are you happy making a sideways(ish) move to reduce power consumption.

If power consumption is a big issue, it would rule out the 35i, as it has been measured pulling over 400W from the mains, which would almost certainly be worse than the IA-4.....I suppose I am asking if power consumption is as big an issue as ultimate sound quality.

IMO Once you have tasted Class A, it is very hard to get anything else to quite hit the spot.....though I think you are looking in the right places.

If you go for the Lavardin (IS Ref / IT), I think you have to budget for their own cables.

I think the Perreaux  looks to have all the right credentials, but seems to be very expensive in Sterling. This is how it fairs in -

Dollars:   150i - $5999 (£3770);  250i - $8999 (£5660);  Optional Dac - $999 (£630);  Optional Phono Stage - $499 (£314)

In Euros: 150i - €4790 (£3950);  250i - €6890 (£5684);  Optional Dac - €690 (£569);  Optional Phono Stage - €390 (£322) Nb Roby's prices are cheaper still!

Have you also considered Audio Analogue or Electrocompaniet?

 

 

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I have demo of the IA4 saturday morning so I don't know how it sound. Except the consumtion, Do you feel somthing is missing? an if you consider the AMS it wouldn't change much I guess?

I'm seriously considering the AMS the sugden would be a slightly cheaper alternatve so I'm intrested in your finding's

Because even if I'm know considering the AMS I still have in the corner of my mind

The M6i (for me unbeatable at the price) an the M6 separate combo, I'm still waiting for the call to audition that. An than the Sugden if it is convincing on Saturday.

Btw The dealer where I go listen to the Sugden sugest to also listen to the amp with Proarc D18/28 What do you think?

Apperantly those brands work to getter to test thier gear so I guess it should be a great match....

I look forward to your view of the Sugden, which I think is a great choice if you feel the AMS 35i is a little too much to spend. I would rather have it than the M6i, but compared to the 35i, its bass doesn't have quite the punch, power and definition, and its mid-range is not quite as "liquid".

Your dealer is right about the synergy with Proac.....I think you should be in for a lovely musical sound.

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Hi Cno,

 

Certainly the amount of power consumption is a big factor in my thinking behind the change of amp.  As with everyone in this economic climate, we're all trying to reduce our monthly outgoings and electricity seems to be one area that's on the increase.

As for a sideways step, without hearing it first I really can't say if that would be the case with the Perreaux.  Any change in component, I am looking for more depth and realism to the music... the Sugden has a

large airy soundstageand beautiful clarity, but does lack the depth I crave.

As it happens, the Eloquence may not be any good for me anyway.  It has an onscreen menu from which you have to access input changes and being blind, I would find this difficult to operate.  I have Emailed Perreaux direct for more details to clarify its operation/functionality.

Roby, above is a breif description of the IA-4's SQ, but to add, it has great musicality.  ProAc D18 is a great match for the Sugden... I did have them on home demo and the only reason I didn't keep them was down to room acoustics.  My listening room is quite small and the base was a bit too over powering for my liking.

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Mac

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Hi Cno,

The Sugden has a large airy soundstageand beautiful clarity, but does lack the depth I crave.

It's possible a change in source could give you this.

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Hi Cno,

The Sugden has a large airy soundstageand beautiful clarity, but does lack the depth I crave.

It's possible a change in source could give you this.

You're on my wavelength Cno.  I was hoping to be demoing the Rega ISIS valve version this week, but the dealer thought it was that good, decided to keep it for himself!

:cry:

There is another ISIS available, but not the valve version, but does receive great reviews nevertheless.

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Mac

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You're on my wavelength Cno.  I was hoping to be demoing the Rega ISIS valve version this week, but the dealer thought it was that good, decided to keep it for himself!

There is another ISIS available, but not the valve version, but does receive great reviews nevertheless.

Cheers

Mac

That would do the job nicely.....especially the valve version (is it £1k more?).

Have you ruled out the likes of an Akurate DS, which is outstandingly good for £4.5k (or even better, a Renew DS - made from the insides of the old Klimax, and sounds better than the ADS)?

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Roby wrote:

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Question out of curiousity as I'm upgrading my system aswell:

I have demo of the IA4 saturday morning so I don't know how it sound. Except the consumtion, Do you feel somthing is missing? an if you consider the AMS it wouldn't change much I guess?

I'm seriously considering the AMS the sugden would be a slightly cheaper alternatve so I'm intrested in your finding's

...

 

Really looking forward to the demo on Saturday as I always had the Sudgen on back of my mind.

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You're on my wavelength Cno.  I was hoping to be demoing the Rega ISIS valve version this week, but the dealer thought it was that good, decided to keep it for himself!

There is another ISIS available, but not the valve version, but does receive great reviews nevertheless.

Cheers

Mac

That would do the job nicely.....especially the valve version (is it £1k more?).

Have you ruled out the likes of an Akurate DS, which is outstandingly good for £4.5k (or even better, a Renew DS - made from the insides of the old Klimax, and sounds better than the ADS)?

Hi Cno,

I think I'd have the same old problem with the DS, in terms of accessibility for a blind person.

The ISIS valve was going for£3,500 including my Naim as part ex.

Cheers

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Hi Cno,

I think I'd have the same old problem with the DS, in terms of accessibility for a blind person.

The ISIS valve was going for£3,500 including my Naim as part ex.

Cheers

Mac

Apologies; I assumed that whatever enabled you to operate a PC, would allow you to operate Kinsky Desktop. :oops:

That certainly looks a tempting price, and IMO would have made a stunning difference to your already wonderfully euphonic system.

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Mac, see if you can audition the Ayre AX7e (£2.500), T+A PA1260R (£3.000, stocked by AE also)) and McIntosh MA6300 (£4000); all have a button for each input and low power consumption.

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Macspur wrote:

Hi Cno,

I think I'd have the same old problem with the DS, in terms of accessibility for a blind person.

The ISIS valve was going for£3,500 including my Naim as part ex.

Cheers

Mac

Apologies; I assumed that whatever enabled you to operate a PC, would allow you to operate Kinsky Desktop. :oops: That certainly looks a tempting price, and IMO would have made a stunning difference to your already wonderfully euphonic system.

No apologies necessary Cno, but O how I wish that were the case.

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Mac, see if you can audition the Ayre AX7e (£2.500), T+A PA1260R (£3.000, stocked by AE also)) and McIntosh MA6300 (£4000); all have a button for each input and low power consumption.

Hi,

Must admit not familiar with these brands, but thanks for the tips, will check them out.

Cheers

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Hi,

Check Analogue Seduction for the Ayre; they say it's available for home demos.

http://www.analogueseduction.net/product/Ayre_AX-7e_Integrated_Amplifier_AY-AX7E

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Macspur wrote:

I'm generally happy with the Sugden, but somewhat concerned with the amount of juice it uses.

Good to read that I am not alone here Smile

I used to have a Pathos Inpol2. Intially, I did not care much but then the utilities people almost doubled our monthly rate (not necessarily all because of Inpol2 but it has a huge role with all the amount of room heating the Inpol2 was doing). 

After hovering in multiple directions for some time now I am settled with a Classe CAP 2100 which is quite alright on power!

My suggestion would be to consider the Classe CAP 2100 as well as Pathos Ethos (which also offer a built-in DAC) if that is what is expected.

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Hi,

Check Analogue Seduction for the Ayre; they say it's available for home demos.

http://www.analogueseduction.net/product/Ayre_AX-7e_Integrated_Amplifier_AY-AX7E

FWIW. I have dealt with Gary at Analogue Seduction, and can whole heartedly recommend them.

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