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Perreaux amps

Hi,

I've been offered the Perreaux Eloquence 150I in exchange for my Sugden Masterclass IA-4.

Would this be a wise move, or one I'd live to regret?

I'm generally happy with the Sugden, but somewhat concerned with the amount of juice it uses.

The only other intergrateds I'd consider are LFD, or Lavardin.

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Mac

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Hi Mac,

I haven't heard the Perreaux, but good as it looks on paper, I'm not sure that it wouldn't be a sideways move.....but worth a listen I suppose.

You probably know what I'm going to say next....Don't do anything until you hear a 35i. :shifty:

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Heard the Perreaux last year at Audio Emotion by coincidence.  Very very impressive amp - but not cheap!  

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the record spot wrote:

Heard the Perreaux last year at Audio Emotion by coincidence.  Very very impressive amp - but not cheap!  

It has had to come all the way from NZ, which can't help.

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CnoEvil wrote:

the record spot wrote:

Heard the Perreaux last year at Audio Emotion by coincidence.  Very very impressive amp - but not cheap!  

It has had to come all the way from NZ, which can't help.

I had one all the way from China once, and that was dirt cheap! :grin:

Loads of second hand expensive kit!

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Indeed; think AE had theirs on for around £4,500 or so.  

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Alears wrote:

I had one all the way from China once, and that was dirt cheap! :grin:

Was it any good? :shifty:

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Indeed; think AE had theirs on for around £4,500 or so.  

Do you think it would be a sideways move from the Sugden?

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the record spot wrote:

Indeed; think AE had theirs on for around £4,500 or so.  

Do you think it would be a sideways move from the Sugden?

Would be interested to know that too.

Certainly the Perreaux brand new is a much more expensive machine RRP at just under 6K.

The unit I've been offered is pre owned and comes with a full 5 year warrantee.

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Mac

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Macspur wrote:

Certainly the Perreaux brand new is a much more expensive machine RRP at just under 6K.

The unit I've been offered is pre owned and comes with a full 5 year warrantee.

Cheers

Mac

It costs that in Dollars in the US ($7k with Dac), so I wonder how much of that is getting it over here.

Edit. Are you sure that price isn't for the 250i? Here is the cost in Euros:
http://www.espacehifi.com/150i-perreaux-serie-eloquence-integrated-amplifier-p-953.html

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CnoEvil wrote:

the record spot wrote:

Indeed; think AE had theirs on for around £4,500 or so.  

Do you think it would be a sideways move from the Sugden?

 

Never heard the Sugden Cno, but it was impressive and comes with an excellent onboard DAC, albeit in a setup unfamiliar to me (about £15k worth I think).  Sounded good, but if the dealer is any good, they'll offer the OP a home demo and return option for that money which would be critical if it were my money - needs to be an escape route if the thing doesn't suit.  If it's from the Audio Emotion guys, they're good to deal with and the five year warranty is a good one. 

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CnoEvil wrote:

Macspur wrote:

Certainly the Perreaux brand new is a much more expensive machine RRP at just under 6K.

The unit I've been offered is pre owned and comes with a full 5 year warrantee.

Cheers

Mac

It costs that in Dollars in the US ($7k with Dac), so I wonder how much of that is getting it over here.

Edit. Are you sure that price isn't for the 250i? Here is the cost in Euros: http://www.espacehifi.com/150i-perreaux-serie-eloquence-integrated-amplifier-p-953.html

He's probably right. AudioEmotion quotes RRP as £5945 with DAC and phono board fitted, it doesn't quote a price for the pre-owned one they are flogging.

Loads of second hand expensive kit!

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CnoEvil wrote:

Alears wrote:

I had one all the way from China once, and that was dirt cheap! :grin:

Was it any good? :shifty:

Nah! But it just goes to show the shipping cost is but a mere fraction of the overall product cost so you cannot put the high price of the Perreaux down to the fact it gets shipped fron NZ.

Loads of second hand expensive kit!

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CnoEvil wrote:
Hi Mac, I haven't heard the Perreaux, but good as it looks on paper, I'm not sure that it wouldn't be a sideways move.....but worth a listen I suppose. You probably know what I'm going to say next....Don't do anything until you hear a 35i. :shifty:

Hi Cno,

Oops the AMS slipped my mind, but to be honest I can't find anywhere to get a home demo and I'd be in the same boat with regards to the juice it uses.

It's AE who have made me the offer, but have a few other people interested and given me first refusal, so on this occasion unwilling to give a home demo.

Cheers

Mac

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RE: Perreaux amps

Hello,

 

I still have to d'emo Perreaux, but I was more thinking about the 250i. I shure it's a great amp but the reason of my hesitation is that they are realy expensive an that for that kind of cash there might be better alternative on thing for shure they got look's but that's personal. Dirol

 

I demoed the Lavardin Great amp but could't realy convince me in the end can't really tell what but I was missing something.

Beside the amp sounded great from the momment we changed the speaker cables ( speakers where the Sonos Faber MG). But oke we used the Lavardin cables, Anyway I think what cold my temper is that we needed cables costing 600€/M to get (used 2x 2 M costing 2400+-) the trilling sound I'm afther....honestly I gues you better of putting that kind of money in my amp, sertenly if you consider that I need 2x 4M :-(.

 

LFD I heard a few month's ago an that was impresive :O  It was smooth an was attacking when needed. altrue somtimes I had the feeling it was loosing a bit of grip (detail) in the High....

But hey it was a long time ago... An what I remember from the demo is that I came out of that shop realy impressed...

Oké it's not looking impresive. I thing it look's a bit like toy (that's me). Personaly I'm not considering it becuase I heard other thinks that fit's more my personal taste.

 

Question out of curiousity as I'm upgrading my system aswell:

I have demo of the IA4 saturday morning so I don't know how it sound. Except the consumtion, Do you feel somthing is missing? an if you consider the AMS it wouldn't change much I guess?

 

I'm seriously considering the AMS the sugden would be a slightly cheaper alternatve so I'm intrested in your finding's

Because even if I'm know considering the AMS I still have in the corner of my mind

The M6i (for me unbeatable at the price) an the M6 separate combo, I'm still waiting for the call to audition that. An than the Sugden if it is convincing on Saturday.

Btw The dealer where I go listen to the Sugden sugest to also listen to the amp with Proarc D18/28 What do you think?

Apperantly those brands work to getter to test thier gear so I guess it should be a great match....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: Perreaux amps

CnoEvil wrote:

Macspur wrote:

Certainly the Perreaux brand new is a much more expensive machine RRP at just under 6K.

The unit I've been offered is pre owned and comes with a full 5 year warrantee.

Cheers

Mac

It costs that in Dollars in the US ($7k with Dac), so I wonder how much of that is getting it over here.

Edit. Are you sure that price isn't for the 250i? Here is the cost in Euros: http://www.espacehifi.com/150i-perreaux-serie-eloquence-integrated-amplifier-p-953.html

 

Here In Belgium it was arround 4600€ without Dac or phonostage for 150I an arround 1800€ more for the 250I at least when I informed 2 or 3 month's ago, I suspect you can get a 10% of....But it stay's expensive....

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