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Pathos vs Icon Audio

Any similar cost items vs each other

Which one and why?

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RE: Pathos vs Icon Audio

FennerMachine wrote:

Pathos vs Icon Audio

Any similar cost items vs each other

Which one and why?

to what models are you referring...?

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I think you are going to find it hard to do a 'compare and contrast' thing with these two manufacturers.

Pathos provide extremely well built high output integrateds and, up to a point, so does Icon audio, but after that point you would have to go down the pre amp/power amp route with Icon Audio to get the equivalent of the Pathos Logos say.

This puts a big gap in costs.

Virtually the only item comparable in their ranges would be the Pathos Classic 1 v. the Stereo 60 (both in range £2000-2500)

I have heard neither so cannot help you there (did hear a Stereo 40 once and it sounded 'brill)

 

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The only valve amp I have ever heard is an ST40 MK3 with KT88s £1695, Had one on demo for 5 days - its gone back now............I now realise just how good valves sound - no not warm & mushy the ST40 excels in everyting bass, detail, imaging PRaT - it blows a very good Brio R out of the water (Elicit R too)

Just counting down the days until I get mine - hopefuly next weekend.

Maybe I should of demoed more valve amps, but for the money I dont think anything else can touch it   Smile

 

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Steve, I think once you find something that you really enjoy listening to there is little point in endlessly demo-ing alternatives.  IMO you have done the right thing - found an amp that suits you, your music, and your system and made a committment to it.  It is what I did with the Exposure and, for once in relation to my hi-fi, I have absolutely no regrets.

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Steve, I think once you find something that you really enjoy listening to there is little point in endlessly demo-ing alternatives.  IMO you have done the right thing - found an amp that suits you, your music, and your system and made a committment to it.  It is what I did with the Exposure and, for once in relation to my hi-fi, I have absolutely no regrets.

Your right - I have had a lot of advice from valve owners here, the general opinion is that the ST40 at its price is a no brainer - within a few sides of LPs I knew it was going to be a keeper!

 

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The same happened to me when I heard the Pathos with the rest of my system, and a ex demo just for 850€ less 1400€ then retail price, how good was that???

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matthewpiano wrote:

Steve, I think once you find something that you really enjoy listening to there is little point in endlessly demo-ing alternatives.  IMO you have done the right thing - found an amp that suits you, your music, and your system and made a committment to it.  It is what I did with the Exposure and, for once in relation to my hi-fi, I have absolutely no regrets.

Your right - I have had a lot of advice from valve owners here, the general opinion is that the ST40 at its price is a no brainer - within a few sides of LPs I knew it was going to be a keeper!

 

 

 

The way I see it Steve, if I may take your case as an example, you took a long time to come round to even listening to 'valves', once sat down and doing it, it was a no brainer. Now that has to be put against cost, valves are not cheap compared with SS, one can get a 'Croft integrated line input, hybrid' for £850, Croft dont do remotes, for a MM valve type phono stage, ad £150. One quality amp for the price IMHO.

Something like the ST40 is the next step up, however, having had a Croft for 2 years, still have it up stairs, if I had to go back to it, I would not be that unhappy, the lack of a remote is not an issue for me. The problem is getting some one to sit down and listen to a valve amp, the bias against them soon falls away, then its a simple matter, 'is it what I want, does it work for me and can I afford it'?

Not everyone will like valve amps, but equally, few people listened to them objectively . . . thats with an open mind and put the bais to one side. Most people have the preconceived idea of how valve amps sounded back in the days of Quads II's and the like, modern designs dont sound like that, often sounding better than the equivalent SS . . . but you have to listen to know?

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Icon Audio made in China

Pathos made in Italy

For environmental, political, econoimic, and worker rights reasons I would choose Pathos. 

 

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Icon Audio made in China

Pathos made in Italy

For environmental, political, econoimic, and worker rights reasons I would choose Pathos. 

 

the components are made in China yes but they are assembled in leicester

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Maybe I should of demoed more valve amps, but for the money I dont think anything else can touch it   Smile

 

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From what I am led to believe Icon Audio design and distribute their products from Leicester. They are built in China.

Installation of the valves and final tweaking is what is done in Leicester but who's counting?

They are very reliable and ultimately easily repairable amps designed for longevity, as, no doubt are the  Pathos designs.

Best just try to audition what you can, ultimately it will come down to amount you want to spend on them.

 

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stevebrock wrote:

Maybe I should of demoed more valve amps, but for the money I dont think anything else can touch it   Smile

 

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Come to think of it maybe not the ST40 is a beaut

 

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plastic penguin wrote:

stevebrock wrote:

Maybe I should of demoed more valve amps, but for the money I dont think anything else can touch it   Smile

 

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Come to think of it maybe not the ST40 is a beaut

 

Bit surprised you've only heard the Croft before plumping for the Icon. Before buying the Leema spent almost two years (not in one continuous audition) auditioning most SS amps under the sun, including Class A, up to around the £1800 mark.

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I see where your coming from but there's not competition around the price of the ST40, I listened, I loved, I bought........ End of story Smile Bear in mind I am still hugely disappointed with the Elicit saga and to be honest couldn't stomach any more demos.

btw I failed to disclose after the 4th Elicit went back I demoed a creek destiny 2 and Primare both nice amps but to my ears falling short to the ST40

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Icon Audio made in China

Pathos made in Italy

For environmental, political, econoimic, and worker rights reasons I would choose Pathos. 

 

 

 

In this modern age that in my opinion is not a good reason to choose a product. Be honest, we all want low cost . . . I do, I live on a fixed pension. The amount of goods that come from China etc, is staggering, if not complete, the components, almost impossible avoid it. I feel it is hypocritical or at best, naive to talk of 'only buying British made' . . . it is the ideal but a dream, we have become so greedy, Mr average would not be able to live, certainly as far as the world of hifi, electronics and computers are concerned.

Thats of course unless you were happy to take an enormous pay cut to make the product or the service you are involved in 'affordable' . . . that one is a 'chicken or egg' :?

The other side of course, why should workers in these countries have to work for pennies . . . ??? not a nice thought by our standards, however we cannot judge their circumstances by our standard of living, if it were to happen . . . it probably will and I believe standards should rise, then we will be back to 'cant afford it' :? Those who can, cast your mind back 50 years 'made in Japan' . . . ????????????

That said, quality is my concern, I bought Croft, a true British product? . . . where did the components come from? I use PMC speakers, certainly the ones I have were 'made in Luton', again, where did the components come from? I now use an Icon amp, made in China, designed and finished in the UK . . . so it goes on. We are tied to China, is there a way out?

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