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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_Lines             ...    Smile

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Oh dear!  The original post did have text but the s**t software of this forum lost it.  £1m listening room we are told.  £50 forum software though.

I said in my lost post how good the recording was and what I delight it was to listen to this old CD.  To skip a genre I then played Karajan playing Prokofiev's 5th Symphony, a recording which in its original CD version was nearly unlistenable to but now remastered is perhaps the definitive version of this great piece of music.

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Chris,

Just wondered wher you  got that piece from, Karajan playing Prokofiev's 5th Symphony, that is.

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£1m listening room we are told.

 

Sounds pretty pointless to me, maybe that is why their reviews differ from other uses reviews. I would have thought that a more normal living room would have been better as that is what most people will be using.

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woodster wrote:

Chris,

Just wondered wher you  got that piece from, Karajan playing Prokofiev's 5th Symphony, that is.

Sorry only just seen this.  Amazon have it:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Prokofiev-Symphonies-no-1-5/dp/B000001GHI/ref=sr_1_5?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1363012215&sr=1-5

As you will see from the reviews the1st with which it is coupled isn't so highly rated and indeed some people don't like the 5th but they are wrong lol.  The Penguin Guide says of this 5th "Karajan's 1969 recording of the Fifth is in a class of its own." and I think that is right.  It's an interested recording because when it first came out on CD, having previously been on vinyl, it nearly put a lot of people off CDs because it was simply awful.  It was so shrill that listening to it was like hearing someone scraping a fingernail down a blackboard.  Anyway now remastered it is wonderful.

Chris

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And theres me thinking  about Blondie puzzled

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BigH wrote:
£1m listening room we are told. Sounds pretty pointless to me, maybe that is why their reviews differ from other uses reviews. I would have thought that a more normal living room would have been better as that is what most people will be using.

Who's living room? Yours? mine? None of our rooms will sound the same, nobody has a "standard" living room, so how are you supposed to pick one that's representative? You can't, so you create a room that adds nothing (or as little as possible) to sound of the equipment and then you review the equipment, not the room. You haven't really thought it through have you?

This is why reviews are only a guide, you have to do your own listening, ideally in your own room, to make a choice.

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Covenanter wrote:

woodster wrote:

Chris,

Just wondered wher you  got that piece from, Karajan playing Prokofiev's 5th Symphony, that is.

Sorry only just seen this.  Amazon have it:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Prokofiev-Symphonies-no-1-5/dp/B000001GHI/ref=sr_1_5?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1363012215&sr=1-5

As you will see from the reviews the1st with which it is coupled isn't so highly rated and indeed some people don't like the 5th but they are wrong lol.  The Penguin Guide says of this 5th "Karajan's 1969 recording of the Fifth is in a class of its own." and I think that is right.  It's an interested recording because when it first came out on CD, having previously been on vinyl, it nearly put a lot of people off CDs because it was simply awful.  It was so shrill that listening to it was like hearing someone scraping a fingernail down a blackboard.  Anyway now remastered it is wonderful.

Chris

 

I think it is 1968 recording.

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BigH wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

woodster wrote:

Chris,

Just wondered wher you  got that piece from, Karajan playing Prokofiev's 5th Symphony, that is.

Sorry only just seen this.  Amazon have it:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Prokofiev-Symphonies-no-1-5/dp/B000001GHI/ref=sr_1_5?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1363012215&sr=1-5

As you will see from the reviews the1st with which it is coupled isn't so highly rated and indeed some people don't like the 5th but they are wrong lol.  The Penguin Guide says of this 5th "Karajan's 1969 recording of the Fifth is in a class of its own." and I think that is right.  It's an interested recording because when it first came out on CD, having previously been on vinyl, it nearly put a lot of people off CDs because it was simply awful.  It was so shrill that listening to it was like hearing someone scraping a fingernail down a blackboard.  Anyway now remastered it is wonderful.

Chris

 

I think it is 1968 recording.

1969 in my CD booklet.  Smile

Chris

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Well it is '68 in the Gramophone and Amazon review or are you referring to the release date? "Karajan's 1968 Prokofiev Fifth is a great performance."

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woodster wrote:

Chris,

Just wondered wher you  got that piece from, Karajan playing Prokofiev's 5th Symphony, that is.

Sorry only just seen this.  Amazon have it:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Prokofiev-Symphonies-no-1-5/dp/B000001GHI/ref=sr_1_5?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1363012215&sr=1-5

As you will see from the reviews the1st with which it is coupled isn't so highly rated and indeed some people don't like the 5th but they are wrong lol.  The Penguin Guide says of this 5th "Karajan's 1969 recording of the Fifth is in a class of its own." and I think that is right.  It's an interested recording because when it first came out on CD, having previously been on vinyl, it nearly put a lot of people off CDs because it was simply awful.  It was so shrill that listening to it was like hearing someone scraping a fingernail down a blackboard.  Anyway now remastered it is wonderful.

Chris

Many thanks. Apologise for my shockingly bad English Grammar in my last post.

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BigH wrote:

Well it is '68 in the Gramophone and Amazon review or are you referring to the release date? "Karajan's 1968 Prokofiev Fifth is a great performance."

You might be right!  The Penguin Guide has it as 1969 but that might be when it was released, which would make sense for a late 1968 recording.  Whichever it is it is a great performance.

Chris

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"I said in my lost post how good the recording was and what I delight it was to listen to this old CD"

 

Thanks for that, one that escaped my collection, may well add it. And I agree about the forum part also.

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BigH wrote:
£1m listening room we are told. Sounds pretty pointless to me, maybe that is why their reviews differ from other uses reviews. I would have thought that a more normal living room would have been better as that is what most people will be using.

Who's living room? Yours? mine? None of our rooms will sound the same, nobody has a "standard" living room, so how are you supposed to pick one that's representative? You can't, so you create a room that adds nothing (or as little as possible) to sound of the equipment and then you review the equipment, not the room. You haven't really thought it through have you? This is why reviews are only a guide, you have to do your own listening, ideally in your own room, to make a choice.

 

That is a fair point BUT I still think it is misleading and when they say things like positioning is not fussy they mean in their specially treated room that presumably has bass traps and sound panels so there are few reflections. They may not get bass boom when speakers are 1 foot away from a wall but does not follow you won't, so maybe they should be guarded with some of there comments. Not everyone can home demo gear before buying.