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RE: OooooOOOOooooh.... Kef LS50s

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Easy chaps. This wasn't really meant to be "LS50s are c**p" thread. Based on the set-up I heard the LS50s, when playing driving rock, came up just a little short when compared to the GX100s. Just thought I'd share what I heard yesterday.

How would they sound with the Leema? No idea.

I hope my post didn't come across as anything other than surprise. You were the only one there and I certainly wouldn't question what you heard....only try and explain it (ie. part system, part room and part taste).

I would expect the RX100s to have stronger bass and be harder hitting when it comes to rock, than the LS50s, which tend to be detailed but more polite. .....which is why I like them. 

I have found that the LS50s seem to make everything enjoyable, maybe at the expense of getting "down and dirty" enough (for some tastes), with certain genres of music.

A lot of the time it's what you're used to, so getting comfortable with a different presentation can take time.....and even then it may not happen.

 

I just get the feeling that if Bought the LS50s I'd be analysing every track, rather than enjoying the music. Whereas with the GX100s, although little more upfront in presentation, I could close the eyes and just let the music wash over me.

Ironically the manager said the speaker he'd like me to hear wasn't in stock: The speaker was B&W CM5. Make of that what you will.

There could also be an outside chance that Kef speakers may not be for me...

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RE: OooooOOOOooooh.... Kef LS50s

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There could also be an outside chance that Kef speakers may not be for me...

Yes of course there is.

FWIW. I bought the LS50s because they weren't analytical (to my ears)..........you will never know for sure until you drop them into your system at your home.....but you are too wise an old bird not to know this.

Though if I had to guess, I don't think they would have enough scale for you, after having lived with floorstanders.

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RE: OooooOOOOooooh.... Kef LS50s

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There could also be an outside chance that Kef speakers may not be for me...

Yes of course there is.

FWIW. I bought the LS50s because they weren't analytical (to my ears)..........you will never know for sure until you drop them into your system at your home.....but you are too wise an old bird not to know this.

Though if I had to guess, I don't think they would have enough scale for you, after having lived with floorstanders.

Of course I won't know until they're rigged up to my kit, that's why I haven't written them off.

FWIW, as mentioned earlier in the thread, wasn't totally blown away by the MAs either. When I first heard them last year (same shop BTW) against the RX6s, just found the midrange of the GX100s wasn't as expressive as the RX/RSs and seemed to play it (not sure of the right word) a little too one dimensional. Still not convinced by the ribbon tweeter, either.

One thing my system has in abundance is fun - immediately brings a smile to your face, almost quirky or "Kookie" sounding, without thinking about whether it's the most precise sounding set-up.

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Think it's also important to put on record that when the time comes to seriously change the MAs I WILL NOT take the RS6s to the dem room. I want to judge any new speaker on its own merits, and not have the MA chain around the neck.

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Think it's also important to put on record that when the time comes to seriously change the MAs I WILL NOT take the RS6s to the dem room. I want to judge any new speaker on its own merits, and not have the MA chain around the neck.

Any replacement speakers have to knock the RS6s into touch, or they are not worth changing for.

You know what you like, which I believe is something along the lines of:

-  Fun and lively wihout being aggressive

-  Detailed but not analytical

- Enough bass to convey a reasonable sense of scale

- Have to allow a connection with the music

- Able to conjure up a realistic 3D image

I'll keep my eye out.....maybe some Taga Harmony.  :shifty:

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RE: OooooOOOOooooh.... Kef LS50s

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plastic penguin wrote:

Think it's also important to put on record that when the time comes to seriously change the MAs I WILL NOT take the RS6s to the dem room. I want to judge any new speaker on its own merits, and not have the MA chain around the neck.

Any replacement speakers have to knock the RS6s into touch, or they are not worth changing for.

You know what you like, which I believe is something along the lines of:

-  Fun and lively wihout being aggressive

-  Detailed but not analytical

- Enough bass to convey a reasonable sense of scale

- Have to allow a connection with the music

- Able to conjure up a realistic 3D image

I'll keep my eye out.....maybe some Taga Harmony.  :shifty:

I did the exact same thing before buying the Leema. When it came auditioning I left the A65+ at home, and just compared with Roksan Caspian. Then once I had it on home dem took the Leema into a Naim dealership (Audio-T) and heard it against the XS.

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Whilst in town today, while the wife was searching for a dress, my brother in law and I decided to pop into seven Oaks S&V just on the off chance they might have the KEF Ref 205-2, but sadly not.
So I asked if they had the LS50, as this is another model I've heard so much about, I thought I'd take up the offer of a demo.
Baring in mind it was only an off the cuff visit, so had to take what amplification that was readily available... they hooked them up to a Naim Uniti and sadly I knew very quickly I didn't like them at all.
To be fair, after living with Harbeth SHL5 I doubted they would come even close, but I was surprised how grainy and forward they were and the base was very flabby.
I'm sure with better amplification there would be an improvement, but I doubt enough for a purchase.
I did look at the R500, but didn't have time to hear... looked lovely, but again rear ported, which is a no go and that's why, with their front ports, I do still want to hear the 205-2 and when the time comes, I will make sure and make an appointment.
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Whilst in town today, while the wife was searching for a dress, my brother in law and I decided to pop into seven Oaks S&V just on the off chance they might have the KEF Ref 205-2, but sadly not. So I asked if they had the LS50, as this is another model I've heard so much about, I thought I'd take up the offer of a demo. Baring in mind it was only an off the cuff visit, so had to take what amplification that was readily available... they hooked them up to a Naim Uniti and sadly I knew very quickly I didn't like them at all. To be fair, after living with Harbeth SHL5 I doubted they would come even close, but I was surprised how grainy and forward they were and the base was very flabby. I'm sure with better amplification there would be an improvement, but I doubt enough for a purchase. I did look at the R500, but didn't have time to hear... looked lovely, but again rear ported, which is a no go and that's why, with their front ports, I do still want to hear the 205-2 and when the time comes, I will make sure and make an appointment. Mac

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Baring in mind it was only an off the cuff visit, so had to take what amplification that was readily available... they hooked them up to a Naim Uniti and sadly I knew very quickly I didn't like them at all.

To be fair, after living with Harbeth SHL5 I doubted they would come even close, but I was surprised how grainy and forward they were and the base was very flabby. I'm sure with better amplification there would be an improvement, but I doubt enough for a purchase.

Sorry to hear that Mac.....it's a shame you didn't hear them at their best.

Oh well, it's no harm that people realize that these speakers are not a cure all solution and it highlights that system matching is crucial.

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CnoEvil wrote:

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Baring in mind it was only an off the cuff visit, so had to take what amplification that was readily available... they hooked them up to a Naim Uniti and sadly I knew very quickly I didn't like them at all.

To be fair, after living with Harbeth SHL5 I doubted they would come even close, but I was surprised how grainy and forward they were and the base was very flabby. I'm sure with better amplification there would be an improvement, but I doubt enough for a purchase.

Sorry to hear that Mac.....it's a shame you didn't hear them at their best.

Oh well, it's no harm that people realize that these speakers are not a cure all solution and it highlights that system matching is crucial.

Very true. I'm still glad to have got to hear them for myself though, all be it, with less than ideal matching components.

The guy did offer me a demof some PMC 20 22's, but as I knew I'm not seriously considering buying, I didn't want to waste his time.

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Very true. I'm still glad to have got to hear them for myself though, all be it, with less than ideal matching components.

The guy did offer me a demof some PMC 20 22's, but as I knew I'm not seriously considering buying, I didn't want to waste his time.

Mac

The same experience could happen with the Refs, as they are much more ruthless than the LS50s......I'm not a fan of Naim amps (well not since my match with a 42/110/Snaps + LP12); though today I'm off to a Naim / Focal / Rega / Chord demo day in Belfast, so maybe they can change my mind. 

Personally, I would only match them with the likes of Pathos, McIntosh, Electro, Plinius Class A etc.. I'd love to hear them with Bryston, as David keeps on about this, but I suspect I would prefer my list.

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I hear what you're saying Cno.

I was thinking this yesterday, but the trouble is, I wouldn't be able to take my own amp and a store like seven Oaks is limited in choice of amplification.  So I wouldn't  be sure which one to ask them to pair the Refs with.

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"..but I was surprised how grainy and forward they were and the base was very flabby."

 

I agree with you, heard the LS50 first time with Naim Uniti and also found them grainy in the midrange especially when you turn up the volume. But I ended up buying them some time later and use them with my Heed Pre/PS amp setup and the grain is gone, they sound great. I think it´s a speaker for small rooms or in a desk-setup as mine, there they work best. In my view they are also quite revealing and show the weakness in your system, therefor a quality audiosignal from DAC / CD player and good amplification is very important.      

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RE: OooooOOOOooooh.... Kef LS50s

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FWIW. I bought the LS50s because they weren't analytical (to my ears)..........

I didn't know you had got some LS50's now too. What system are you using them in Cno? Please tell me you haven't downsized from the reference series?

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I just get the feeling that if Bought the LS50s I'd be analysing every track, rather than enjoying the music. Whereas with the GX100s, although little more upfront in presentation, I could close the eyes and just let the music wash over me.
I never found that when I had them. All I enjoyed was the extra control and immediacy that you normally hear with good headphones, as well as their ability to draw no attention to themselves, unlike many speakers on the market - I put that partly down to the cabinet, but also down to the UniQ driver, as I think other manufacturer's speakers can sometimes draw attention to themselves when they haven't got the driver integration correct.

[/Quote]There could also be an outside chance that Kef speakers may not be for me...[/quote]There is that of course Smile

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