Wasn't referring just to my set-up ..
Nor was I.
Sorry I should have said 'one' rather than 'you'.
Okay, flip the OP's question on its side: How many amp/speaker combos does one have the time and patience to sift thru before you achieve perfection? or as close as one can? So many brands, so many combos, so many different room shapes, sizes and acoustics.
In real time the best you can hope for is the ideal compromise.
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busb, trouble is, every system I've heard colours the sound in some way. Some are more tonally neautral than others to the extent that different recordings can be more coloured overall than the system itself. Tonal colouration is only one small part of the overall sonic jigsaw. There's also dynamics, clarity, detail, soundstaging, pitch accuracy, pitch stability - all of which may be compromised to a greater or lesser extent.
I'm not sure which component to blame but no system I've heard ccould be mistaken for live acoustic music. I've been out & about where I've heard some music where my reaction has been "That's live!" even before sight has confirmed as much. I'd also add that decent systems are getting closer & feel equipment is better now than its ever been.
As for the description - colouration - i see it as being the sme as distortion as any deviation from the original apart fom gain. So, colouration can mean diminished dynamics as well as curtailed f response, etc. However, I fail to see how an amplifier can effect pitch accuracy so feel free to expand on that.
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No amp cam reproduce the original sound.. No amp can reproduce the fullness of a real instrument... The sound is disguised with warmth around the instruments to give the illusion of sounding fuller.. If an amplifier should amplify a snare sound to very high levels without coloration it will sound horrible..
The only amps that may be very close to the real thing at high volumes are the new breed of digital amps... But they are bloody expensive to say the least.
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It is actually quite easy to make recorded acoustic music sound live, given a good recording of course.
Firstly and most importantly, you need the space, preferably something approximating the venue for the recording. Next you need amplifiers and speakers that can handle the dynamics and shear volume (dynamic range) of the original recording in what is very likely a large space.
Expensive and impractical without doubt but difficult, no.
Blaming hifi components for this failure to sound live is simply wrong, other factors are far more important.
We do so many shows in a row,
And these towns all look the same,
We just pass the time in our hotel room
And wander 'round backstage,
Till the lights come up, and we hear that crowd,
And we remember why we came.
I think it is more the speakers to blame than the amp.
An amplifier amplifies signals, that's its one and only job, it does not know what music is being played. 'Perfect' is subjective, but assuming a given set of speakers, then a pefect amp would be sufficiently able to drive said speakers to their limits and still remain audibly transparent.
Do such amps exist? Yes, I believe they do, but this means that one amp perfect for say, KEF LS50s, might not be suitable for more difficult loads such as some electrostatic speakers maybe. I would say that the more powerful the amplifier, the more chance there is that it will suit a wider range of speakers.
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Also, whilst we're getting around to reproducing 'live', I would mirror davedotco's response and say that reproducing 'live' event sound is possible given the right environment and equipment. An experiment in the Sydney Opera House proved this (unfortunately couldn't find the link).
Getting the same effect in the home is another matter entirely, but the prodigous use of some DSP might help achieve something close with a multi channel system. The real problem is to recreate the 'sound' of the venue. A live acoustic set of a couple of musicians in a very 'intimate' venue would be possible though, as it would be easier to recreate in a home environment.
Quite true. The scale of the music you are trying to reproduce is a massive factor. With a normal (good) system I would not even attempt to reproduce large scale music. In fact I would go as far as to say that I find it impossible to listen with any intent to such music in my home environment, it just sounds wrong.
Some years ago I had a client who had a big house overlooking the heath, his main room was about 40 x 30 ft, with a corner missing making a very fat L shape.
I had supplied him with a nice Roksan player and seviced and set it up in situ on a number of occasions. The amps were mid range Naim and not the latest spec driving a pair of Tannoys. But what Tannoys they were, 15 inch Reds in York enclosures, one of the best of their type.
He was particularly fond of lieder, and the sound of Fischer Dieskau and acompanying piano was as 'live' as anything I have heard in a home environment.
Well my amps are perfect IMO of course
They play all types of music without bias, they drive my speakers from whisper quiet to live music levels without audible distortion or clipping .
The power amp has a very large power supply ( 1300 VA ) 100 amp peak current delivery and is stable into all loads down to 0.5 of an ohm , it can deliver 120 wpc continuously into 8 ohms and has extremely high transient power delivery that is many times the continuous output .
The pre - amp appears to have a transparent sound and all the controls that are needed .
They have given me 12 years of wonderful beautiful music that has been trouble free and far beyond my expectations so what more could I ask for ?
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So if the purpose is to recreate the life enviroment of the music, why do audiophiles turn thier noses up to AV music... We moved from mono to stereo. Why must we stick to 2 channel music.
Because they are living in the past.
You would need to speak to an audiophile to have your answer, but it might be in part that music is largely recorded in stereo with the musicians 'soundstage' laid out in front. The musicians do not surround you when playing.
I would expect multi channel systems useful only to recreate the ambience of a particular live venue, where the use of active DSP would help to recreate this effect and it would not be possible to do so without it. Generally though, multi channel systems do not offer much, if anything, over a stereo system with your average recording, but they come into their own where special effects are evident.
spoken like a true audiophile. Did you say ask the Audiophile...?
Just out of interest what do you play on your multi channel system/
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