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It really does not exsist, an amp that can play all types of music the way the user would like it to sound....there is'nt one.

an amp that can thump out the beats of Kanya West, sooth you with the voice of Nat King Cole, ravage you with the scream of Black Sabbath or move you with the genius of Mozart - you can have one or two genres covered but not all. Its so fustrating or am I wrong?

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I agree. Totally. I'd extend that to every hi-fi component I've ever heard. No single component is best at everything. There's always something else that's better in at least one sonic respect. Although you can get components that are pretty good all-rounders.

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Thompsonuxb wrote:
It really does not exsist, an amp that can play all types of music the way the user would like it to sound....there is'nt one. an amp that can thump out the beats of Kanya West, sooth you with the voice of Nat King Cole, ravage you with the scream of Black Sabbath or move you with the genius of Mozart - you can have one or two genres covered but not all. Its so fustrating or am I wrong?

Are you wrong? I'd say yes & no.I'd go with the idea that some tracks may sound better through one amplifier than another but I'd personally prefer an amp or indeed, an entire system to not colour the sound in anyway. A system should not convey any emotion (apart from satisfaction, of course!) in itself but pass on whatever emotion is with the music without fear or favour. Colouration will sometimes enhance our enjoyment of some recordings but detract from others. I also prefer (where possible) for all parts of a system be fairly neutral - I just don't like the idea of matching a "bright" amp with "warm" speakers, for instance. Doing so works but makes replacing any item in that chain all the more difficult.

No system s going to be "perfect" but chasing pefection as a goal is surely missing the point of listening to music in the 1st place? There's has to be a point in the pursuit of musical enjoyment where good is indeed good enough where are own imagination ices the cake. We otherwise fall into the trap where the equipment becomes the end rather than just the means. It's them notes that count! Did I just write that? I'm off to bed!

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busb, trouble is, every system I've heard colours the sound in some way. Some are more tonally neautral than others to the extent that different recordings can be more coloured overall than the system itself. Tonal colouration is only one small part of the overall sonic jigsaw. There's also dynamics, clarity, detail, soundstaging, pitch accuracy, pitch stability - all of which may be compromised to a greater or lesser extent.

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lindsayt wrote:

 Although you can get components that are pretty good all-rounders.

My Roksan Kandy pair is just that. Sounds great no matter what I play.

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I dunno, the Audion Sterling I had sounded pretty good with everything, and the Audionote Oto. Both drove relaively normal speakers to good levels in my room and could not really fault it. Given senstive enough speakers, the Decware Zen did just about everything I need.

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RE: No such thing as the perfect amp.

Any competent amplifier should be able to deal with any genre of music in a satisfactory manner.

No such thing as a good amp that 'does' one genre better than others because that would make it a bad amp.

 

 

 

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Then it that case, every amp I've ever heard is a bad amp to a greater or lesser extent. No solid state amp that I've heard nor any valve push pulls have had the "wire with gain" effect of a good SET valve amp in the midrange. Whilst no SET valve amp has had the bass grip and tightness of a good solid state amp. For 1 singer with their guitar music I'd go for a SET amp. For modern dance music I'd go for solid state.

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RE: No such thing as the perfect amp.

lindsayt wrote:

Then it that case, every amp I've ever heard is a bad amp to a greater or lesser extent. No solid state amp that I've heard nor any valve push pulls have had the "wire with gain" effect of a good SET valve amp in the midrange. Whilst no SET valve amp has had the bass grip and tightness of a good solid state amp. For 1 singer with their guitar music I'd go for a SET amp. For modern dance music I'd go for solid state.

Sounds like splitting hair.. I agree with Chebby opinion: "Any competent amplifier should be able to deal with any genre of music in a satisfactory manner.

No such thing as a good amp that 'does' one genre better than others because that would make it a bad amp."

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No. Yes you can have the ideal amp based on the right synergy but a 'sonic' perfect amp I've yet to hear.

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RE: No such thing as the perfect amp.

As the difference between amplifiers is tiny and speakers large I would say it depends far more on the speakers than the amplifier. The amplifier just needs enough welly and a flat response.

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chebby wrote:

Any competent amplifier should be able to deal with any genre of music in a satisfactory manner.

No such thing as a good amp that 'does' one genre better than others because that would make it a bad amp.

 

 

Spot on.

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plastic penguin wrote:

No. Yes you can have the ideal amp based on the right synergy but a 'sonic' perfect amp I've yet to hear.

You don't know that until you've found the 'perfect' speakers for a given room. The differences between loudspeakers dwarf the differences between amps.

Even the sample variation between two speakers in the same pair can be greater in scale than the differences between two amplifiers from different brands.  

 

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RE: No such thing as the perfect amp.

Wasn't referring just to my set-up - I've heard numerous expensive set-ups at retailers over the years, and although immensely impressive, I wouldn't class them strictly as perfect.

I know my system's deficiencies. I've always been honest about my kit's capabilities, and that will be addressed as and when. I also have realistic expectations what my budget can achieve.

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RE: No such thing as the perfect amp.

lindsayt wrote:

No solid state amp that I've heard nor any valve push pulls have had the "wire with gain" effect of a good SET valve amp in the midrange. Whilst no SET valve amp has had the bass grip and tightness of a good solid state amp. For 1 singer with their guitar music I'd go for a SET amp.

Is it the high distortion that does it for you?

thompsonuxb wrote:

It really does not exsist, an amp that can play all types of music the way the user would like it to sound....there is'nt one.

Shouldn't that be the way it's supposed to sound?

You guys seem to be intentionally seeking out equipment that will change the sound - that's not high fidelity... but I suppose it is "HiFi"; hence the question "are you a music lover or are you a HiFi enthusiast?"

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plastic penguin wrote:

Wasn't referring just to my set-up ..

Nor was I.

Sorry I should have said 'one' rather than 'you'.

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