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warp232 wrote:

thank you all for the help, have to agree with Leeps that i should have asked some questions before getting the yamaha amp (impatience perhaps :oops: )  i decided to go with that model after reading some very good reviews about the yamaha a-s500 (hoping that the quality of the a-s500 and r-s500 is about the same )

as for the size of the room : the part where i would be sitting to listen to music is probaly something like 4 on 4m, the room is bigger but not sure if that has an impact. i would say that i play it on average loudness, i try to respect my neighbours

not sure if i will use the fm-tuner, not a big radio listener.   i have 100+ gigabytes of mp3's but not a big fan of internet radio, spotify etc. so not sure if i should get a cd-player or tuner that has network capability.  untill now i only listen to my mp3's on my pc / ipod / ipad / cellphone.  would like to get a cd-player that can be connected to my ipod

i was thinking about bookshelf speakers so i can put them next to my cdplayer and amp on something like this http://www.ikea.com/be/nl/catalog/products/S99018708/   distance from the back of the speaker to the wall could be like 80 cm's i guess.

like dogG mentioned i should probably wait to get a turntable. i managed to live without one for years and i have only a small colletion of records compared to my cd collection. some friends already mentioned the Project Elemental or Essential II. so in time i might opt for one of those

to answer the question about belgium: i live in kortrijk but can travel to brugge, gent, brussels etc if it's worth the trip.

thank you all for your help so far and sorry once again for my impatience.

 

 

 

 

Just a quick thought about your intended speaker placement.  It's likely that you'd get a better controlled and directed sound on dedicated speaker stands, but if you have no choice (like I didn't when siting my centre speaker), then you might want to look at buying some Auralex MoPads.  They come in an assortment of foam wedges that help isolate the speaker from the rack, and they offer a variety of angles so you can alter the angle of the speaker that'll help direct the tweeters towards your ears rather than your knees.  Quite helpful seeing that our ears aren't located there.

The wedges also minimise any 'ringing' in the rack itself.  You can buy isolation cones, but they don't have the flexibility of positioning that the MoPads do.  Dedicated stands would be better still though.

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I'm more or less (but not completely) with lindsayt here. IMO you can't go wrong with buying cables online. And if you do a bit of internet research, €100 could buy you a very fine second hand CDP indeed.

Which would leave you with €1000 to spend on the speakers (yes, that is how I would split your budget, to get most bang for the buck! But if you find your kind of speaker for less, that is perfectly fine too. Obviously). Here I would definitely recommend you to see a couple of trustworthy dealers, where you can make an appointment, explain what you need and demo with your own amplifier, and if possible with the speakers positioned somewhat like they will be in your room. And ask for a home demo if necessary.

I can recommend Wide Screen Audio in Gent. Henk has Rega, Quad and Guru speakers, that might suit you. He will probably have ATC in the near future too.

Also worth a visit is Mimesis Audio in Lovendegem, where you find Focal (705,706 or maybe even the Aria 906) and Tannoy (the DC 4 is worth a look, or the DC6).

There are many more dealers around, but these two give a very good service IME.

 

EDIT: oh, and if you haven't bought the rack yet, you could maybe look for something higher, to bring the tweeters more or less at ear height. Unless you can tilt the speakers, as leeps suggests.

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RE: newbie seeks help - general + specific

thank you all once again for all the help.

in a way a new (confusing) world has opened for me lol

it's a bit weird i guess that for years i spent thousands of euro's on cd's and only so little on equipment. it's the same with my movie collection (cost me more than a decent car) and my yamaha home cinema kit that is 13 years old and cost me about 800 euro's.  i am more of a "software" than "hardware" kind of person.

i will try to focus my attention on finding decent speakers next. but doesn't the weakest link principle apply?  doesn't the yamaha amp destroy the "extra pleasure" i might get from more expensive speakers?  this weekend i will at first try to get a demo at a shop called staelens in kortrijk, they are pretty expensive i guess at least, certainly compared to a lot of other shops, they know what they are selling and speaking about.

will certainly remember the suggestions about the ear height !

 

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RE: newbie seeks help - general + specific

warp232 wrote:

it's a bit weird i guess that for years i spent thousands of euro's on cd's and only so little on equipment. it's the same with my movie collection (cost me more than a decent car) and my yamaha home cinema kit that is 13 years old and cost me about 800 euro's.  i am more of a "software" than "hardware" kind of person.

That's not weird, it's admirable! It's all about the music after all!

warp232 wrote:

i will try to focus my attention on finding decent speakers next. but doesn't the weakest link principle apply?  doesn't the yamaha amp destroy the "extra pleasure" i might get from more expensive speakers? 

Weakest link: yes. Cheapest link: no.

What I mean is: for cables and IMO for a CDP too, the quality is mostly pretty good, even on a tight budget (that is different for turntables). And to be frank with you: yes, the amp might hold back your new speakers from reaching their true potential (speaking in general; I have no personal experience with your amp), but even then, good speakers will sound better than lesser speakers! The thing is: the speakers should work well with your amp, and with your room and their position in the room.

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this weekend i will at first try to get a demo at a shop called staelens in kortrijk, they are pretty expensive i guess at least, certainly compared to a lot of other shops, they know what they are selling and speaking about.

Don't get me wrong. Not saying you must splash €1000 on your speakers! What I'm saying is: if you want to spend €1200 on CDP + speakers + cables, use the larger part on the speakers. And don't get me wrong (bis): 'more expensive' is not a synonym for 'better'. And if you feel like spending less, of course there are good options for less money too (my parents recently bought a pair of ex-demo Tannoy V1s for €150 and they are very happy with them!). The important thing is - once again - that the speakers match the amp and the room acoustics.

 

And finally, I'm very glad you start demoing soon! That's how you should do it! Now, don't let impatience spoil it... Smile

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RE: newbie seeks help - general + specific

For what it's worth, I have the Yamaha CD-N500 and it's a fantastic player. That said, I got it for about 70% off due to it being ex-dem. At full price, there are more capable players. As previously mentioned. The Q Acoustics 2020i's should be on your shortlist of speakers. Also consider second hand if it's not something that bothers you.

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Not sure where i will be able to test them but for speakers i am for the moment mostly thinking about the boston acoustics a360 and the q acoustics 2020i

 

choices Smile

wondering what kind of music the people that reacted listen to?

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warp232 wrote:

wondering what kind of music the people that reacted listen to?

My menu is quite eclectic (chamber music, chanson, folk, jazz, country, pop and rock), but nothing heavier than Living Colour or Pixies  :rockout:

Or Goose (since you're from Kortijk) Wink

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