From what I'm reading on this thread and your recently started Tannoy Prestige thread, I think your challenge is to find speakers that really float your boat. For what it's worth, if I were in your position I'd be thinking about demoing speakers with really expensive and over-specced amps. That way, you can be (relatively) sure you're taking the amp effect out of the equation; you'll know that any speaker you demo will be driven properly, so the speaker will be giving of its best.
But take that with a pinch of salt. Mine is a rather old-school view. My amp cost twice as much as my speakers.
What classical music are you listening to?
I demoed Tannoy 6.2's with a £4000 Yamaha amp.
I was more impressed with the performance of my amps with the Tannoy 6.4 and DC8.
I can easily compare both as they are 10 minutes away.
CA 751BD, Denon AVR-3801, Quad 21L2, Quad L2 Centre, Mission 78DS
Samsung LE32R87BD 32"
Interesting. I'm not a fan of Yamaha amps, and I'm not surprised you prefer your Quads. But maybe try some big Brystons ...
Might be worth your while taking a look through the preowned amps at audio emotion and they will allow home demos, plus do decent part exchange deals too.
Mac I enjoy your album reviews, please note THE GHOST OF TOM JOAD is on spotify now and also on Deezer.
Cheers Big H, you're a star!
Accuphase E350 amp, Electrocompaniet EMC1UP CDP, Siltech 25th Classic anniversary 330I XLR Harbeth Super HL5 on Sound Anchor Quod ELS63 stands, Chord Odessey2 speaker cable. Grado SR60 headphones.
Matt49, no worries! On a post this long there's always room for banter! Going to Devon for a few says in December.
Well if you're going to Devon try and pay these a visit http://www.audiodestination.co.uk/index.php?route=information/contact
Mike and Caroline are lovely to deal with and have a good range of gear.
Btw, a lot of people use the Spendor SA1 and Harbeth P3ESR with a sub
My thoughts too, though probably for the wrong reasons.
We do so many shows in a row,
And these towns all look the same,
We just pass the time in our hotel room
And wander 'round backstage,
Till the lights come up, and we hear that crowd,
And we remember why we came.
FM, take a look at this
He's also selling some Tannoys.
Or this beauty http://www.hifiwigwam.com/showthread.php?93962-FS-Graaf-GM50B-integrated-amp
Demoed some more kit yesterday.
Dali Helicon 400 using Marantz SA-11S3 SACD player & Marantz PM-11S3 amp.
They sounded really good. Detailed yet no harshness at all. Worked well with all music I tried.
This system had very good sound stage width but lacked depth.
Next up were the Tannoy Definition CD8.
After listening to the Dali's they sounded average. OK but very easy to hear their flaws.
At about £5000 the Helicon 400's are way over budget but the 300's are within budget.
The Marantz electronics cost about £3000 a piece so that's not a fair comparison to my electronics.
So we tried my Quad kit with both the Dali and Tannoy speakers.
The Quad amps have enough power to drive the Helicon’s with no sign of stress at the levels I listen at. They Quad and Marantz kit sound completely different though!
The Quad sound more edgy, verging on harsh at times. This was partly dependant on what music was played as some sounded fine. There was a loss of some detail. The sound stage was better overall with similar width but much better depth. The sound projected more and was more exciting.
The Dali's sounded a bit better but the Tannoy's were not far behind.
Also tried some Monitor Audio Silver RX8's. Nice speakers but not for me!
We then swapped my amps for a Roksan K2 BT amp. This had better control. It did sound a bit better than my Quad amps. This is a nice amp. I may have to demo it some more!
The edginess was still their so my CD player must be mainly to blame for that. We then tried Marantz 15S1 CD player with my Quad amps. Some of the edginess was now gone but not enough to warrant the cost.
We did one final test using my kit and comparing a track on the Dali's, Tannoy's and a pair of Quad 23L2's. The Quad's sounded pretty good.
This demo has made me rethink what to do.
I know my amps can handle the power requirements of some high end speakers but they have such a strong sound signature that various high end speakers sound too similar to decide what to get!
Perhaps spending up to £3000 on speakers for my electronics is not a good idea.
In all of these demo's I have not tried using my Cambridge Audio 751BD. Maybe I should see what that can do. I will now look at the possibility of changing my amps, maybe just the power amp. But if necessary I will get an integrated amp and sell the Quad kit.
Sorry if I've missed something but I still think that you should also try the new Focal JM Lab Aria 926 and even the Aria 948.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
Musicraft (Derby), Specialist Hi-Fi/AV & Multimedia Dealer
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Hi FennerMachine, I've read most of the thread, skiped over a few bits, but the essance is, smooth and musical with good base control, no harsh tope end and not so loud either.
This desribes my requirements . . . You like the Castles, I have a pair of speaker that are circa 1990'ish, that I like the sound of. I have built a my system around what I know; 'the sound of the speakers', they were original designed as studio monitors so can be very precise, however there was a potential drive problem in that their effiency was only 87DB . . . I think that is 6ohms?
What type of amp drives hard to drive speakers . . . ? How about well designed valve amps, first a 50w Croft hybrid design, there was something lacking that I could not put my finger on although it got a bit harsh at any sort of volume . . . Moved up to a full blown, 25kg! valve amp, only 40 watts and in Triode mode only 20w!!! The speakers use basic K20 copper cable.
I listen to my PMC LB1 in wonder, great base, tight extended, mid a and top is so sooth you want to cuddle them. I persevered with the speakers, changing verious componants in the TT for that is my passion, Recently one has moved interest to the Amplifyer, I started to change valves, they all sound diferent, tried expensive valves, medium valves and cheapos . . . The cheapose did the business, delivering a sound I new was in the speakers, as one had heard shades of in in the past with other amps.
So now we are listening to a pair of old style, transmission line, studio monitors, on the end of standard, reasonable cost, 8m speaker cables, the interconects are also budget cost that I made myself 30 years ago. The whole system is using 20 watts of Triod valve power, Pre/Power combination cost around £2250.00. You have the speakers, so no expence there.
Took me about 3 months to get to the bottom of my sound requirements, its been frustrating at times but the final achievment has been worth it, and its getting better, valves sound better as they age. Great image, the base is rich, tigh and very extended, vocals are crisp, clean and very real, high frequancy I love, I have always had a thing against the 'chopper through the head sound'! I listen to Vinyl, CD and Streamed Spotify music through a budget HRT DAC. I prefer the TT, but that is my passion, one listens a lot to Spotify, (as I am at this moment), and CD, they all sound great in their own way . . . Valhalla?
. . . ??? just another way of looking at the problem . . . it aint the speakers, nore will it be solved by changing them, that would be just a very expensive sideways move . . . IMHO
Just to chuck another into the pot.
What about the Wharfedale Jades?. Floorstander but aperiodic design. Can't remember whether they were £1500 or £2500 though. Just a thought.
Do you know if the Quad 25L Classic have a similar sound as the Quad 11L Classic?
I have the Quad 11L Classic at the moment and want to upgrade to the floorstanders 23L or 25L but I have read 2 reviews saying they are more punchy, even a tad bright, kind of the opposite, compared to the Quad 11L Classic. Where I live in Belgium, I can't audition them anywhere.
This surprised me as the Quad 11L Classic, to me at least, are a little dark, detailed, never in your face (some say boring, I think not) speaker, perfect for me.
Sorry, I haven't heard the 25Ls.
David @Frank Harvey Hi-Fi, Coventry
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