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Don't listen to the evil man, go with your gut instinct  Wink He's just sewing seeds of doubts as per his name! (I could mean belying his name, but don't have the knowledgable one here at the mo)

Seriously, you can stuff around for ages with HiFi or simply go for it. I'm in the latter school. The Naim/Magnepan combo sounded so good I (we, really) didn't bother listening to much else - felt right, so we jumped in. Yes, listened to a lot before, but nothing had the impact of that combo.

You could be right; I'm not "Speak no Evil".....that's my bro'. :shifty:

You were in the trade, and that makes a big difference when it comes to understanding your own taste.

If Acalex had gone with the first thing that sounded good, he would have bought the Plinius......which would have cost more money and sounded less good to his ears.

I totally understand his need to get it right first time, given the money he is looking to spend.

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Much as you enjoy listening to other great systems, you keep coming back to Jadis + SF. To make absolutely certain, you are rightly listening to a 35i with vinyl (use a better mains lead, even if it's not a very expensive one), and the Lavardin + LV. If on a demo you feel the sound is too bright, it is a good indicator as to how you will find it long term....unless your room is more damped. Generally speaking, if you get "smitten" by a certain speaker/amp combo, nearly everything else will fall short....though you still have to check the competition for peace of mind. I see one of those shops also does McIntosh amps.....another great brand. >)

That's right. But as you say I need to check the competition for peace of mind.

Now that I removed the Jadis from the market (as I am demoeing it for a month), I can focus more on the "competitors". What is also weighting a lot is that I negotiaded a great deal on the Jadis D50RC signature (brand new costs 6k eur) whilst I won't have any deal on the other brands. I might get maybe a 5% off on a new AMS35, but that would still fall short the over 20% discount I would get on the Jadis as ex-demo. For same price as MF I could get a Jadis and a Clearaudio Performance TT.

Ah, btw, what's the brand I should look at when buying a phono pre-amp? The guy told me the EAR 834P Signature Deluxe (the one we used during the demo) is a great phono amp...

I saw McIntosh also...basically both shops have them. Not very attracted by the look to be honest...and it looks like another niche brands as Audio Note, am I wrong?

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You could be right; I'm not "Speak no Evil".....that's my bro'. :shifty: You were in the trade, and that makes a big difference when it comes to understanding your own taste. If Acalex had gone with the first thing that sounded good, he would have bought the Plinius......which would have cost more money and sounded less good to his ears. I totally understand his need to get it right first time, given the money he is looking to spend.

Indeed. Plinius is a great amp but not as close as to what I am looking for....now that I now at least Smile

Yes, I guess if you are already in the trade that makes an huge difference. I am completely new to this world and would like to get it right as I am planning to spend (planning carefully of course) quite a lot of money on it as I realised how much pleasure it gives me. So glad I did not buy an Audi A5 in the end as I can now spend more money on hi-fi Smile

During this month I will also try to have a listen at the Pathos family...just to get definitely peace of mind 

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CnoEvil wrote:

Much as you enjoy listening to other great systems, you keep coming back to Jadis + SF. To make absolutely certain, you are rightly listening to a 35i with vinyl (use a better mains lead, even if it's not a very expensive one), and the Lavardin + LV. If on a demo you feel the sound is too bright, it is a good indicator as to how you will find it long term....unless your room is more damped. Generally speaking, if you get "smitten" by a certain speaker/amp combo, nearly everything else will fall short....though you still have to check the competition for peace of mind. I see one of those shops also does McIntosh amps.....another great brand. >)

That's right. But as you say I need to check the competition for peace of mind.

Now that I removed the Jadis from the market (as I am demoeing it for a month), I can focus more on the "competitors". What is also weighting a lot is that I negotiaded a great deal on the Jadis D50RC signature (brand new costs 6k eur) whilst I won't have any deal on the other brands. I might get maybe a 5% off on a new AMS35, but that would still fall short the over 20% discount I would get on the Jadis as ex-demo. For same price as MF I could get a Jadis and a Clearaudio Performance TT.

Ah, btw, what's the brand I should look at when buying a phono pre-amp? The guy told me the EAR 834P Signature Deluxe (the one we used during the demo) is a great phono amp...

I saw McIntosh also...basically both shops have them. Not very attracted by the look to be honest...and it looks like another niche brands as Audio Note, am I wrong?

If you fight hard, you should get 10% off MF. Indra is the person to contact there....they are unlikely to lose a sale over 5% (worth bearing in mind if it becomes an option).

McIntosh is a large, but slightly niche product that is made in the States. It has retro looks that you love or hate, but it fits the bill for the sound you like.

At the level you are looking at, I'm not sure what phono stage to look at......I've been out of that loop for 20 years....but the Ear sounds good though.

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If you fight hard, you should get 10% off MF. Indra is the person to contact there....they are unlikely to lose a sale over 5% (worth bearing in mind if it becomes an option). McIntosh is a large, but slightly niche product that is made in the States. It has retro looks that you love or hate, but it fits the bill for the sound you like. At the level you are looking at, I'm not sure what phono stage to look at......I've been out of that loop for 20 years....but the Ear sounds good though.

Good to know, thanks a lot. 

I do not really like the look of McIntosh to be honest, so that might be an easy one. BUT I won't miss the opportunity to plug one and listen during my next visit to my favourite shop...  Dance 4

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Ah, btw, what's the brand I should look at when buying a phono pre-amp? The guy told me the EAR 834P Signature Deluxe (the one we used during the demo) is a great phono amp...

a very good suggestion. a very good dealer.

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During this month I will also try to have a listen at the Pathos family...just to get definitely peace of mind 

good for you. will give you some more "head scratching" again.

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The Naim/Magnepan combo sounded so good I (we, really) didn't bother listening to much else - felt right, so we jumped in.

can't help but to back up A.L.'s post.

buy a decent amp first and only then start looking for a good set of speakers. but before you commit to buying anything make sure you try out planar speakers. ribbon/ magnetic (Magnepans, Audio Analysis) or electrostatics (Quad, Martin Logan, King Sound; for instance) will be too insensitive for amps of your choice. ~ 30W will not yield enough juice to make them sound dynamically convincing. but there's Podium Sound with their planars which are neither electrostatic nor ribbon/ magnetostats but they are very sensitive for planars (around 95 dB sensitivity) so a 30W amp will be definitely enough. they are on my "to be listened to" wish list as they are so sensitive and 1-way speakers (no crossover) which only promises good things. give them a try if you have a chance. or give any planars you'll come across a try. I think you'll not be disappointed. it's hard to explain how bipolar planars are different than box speakers. you must hear to know. but as you listened to some planars you'll know there's no turning back to box speakers (even Sonus Faber Lol as you know you'll loose too much.

BTW. I should note I recently bought Magnepan MG12 for a try. and haven't hooked up my Dynaudio Focus 110 ever since Maggies came. that says something, I think.

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acalex wrote:

Ah, btw, what's the brand I should look at when buying a phono pre-amp? The guy told me the EAR 834P Signature Deluxe (the one we used during the demo) is a great phono amp...

a very good suggestion. a very good dealer.

Good to get an experienced confirmation on both phono stage and dealer also Smile

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

The Naim/Magnepan combo sounded so good I (we, really) didn't bother listening to much else - felt right, so we jumped in.

can't help but to back up A.L.'s post.

buy a decent amp first and only then start looking for a good set of speakers. but before you commit to buying anything make sure you try out planar speakers. ribbon/ magnetic (Magnepans, Audio Analysis) or electrostatics (Quad, Martin Logan, King Sound; for instance) will be too insensitive for amps of your choice. ~ 30W will not yield enough juice to make them sound dynamically convincing. but there's Podium Sound with their planars which are neither electrostatic nor ribbon/ magnetostats but they are very sensitive for planars (around 95 dB sensitivity) so a 30W amp will be definitely enough. they are on my "to be listened to" wish list as they are so sensitive and 1-way speakers (no crossover) which only promises good things. give them a try if you have a chance. or give any planars you'll come across a try. I think you'll not be disappointed. it's hard to explain how bipolar planars are different than box speakers. you must hear to know. but as you listened to some planars you'll know there's no turning back to box speakers (even Sonus Faber Lol as you know you'll loose too much.

BTW. I should note I recently bought Magnepan MG12 for a try. and haven't hooked up my Dynaudio Focus 110 ever since Maggies came. that says something, I think.

Thanks for good suggestions. I like to take different views before assessing something, so I really welcome your advices. I have looked on website and apparently this dealer has Magnepans and Quad in stock, I will try to give them a try next time I am there. Those speakers need to be very good to make me forget the Sonus Faber GM I have tried Wink

We will see...

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Hi acalex ... have you got the January WHF magazine ... I didn't manage to get it but I hear there is a Pathos Inpol Remix review in there. The summary is:

"Design Miracle, Clever hybrid circuitry working in Class A mode and producing a great sound - with just 10 watts per channel. Five Star ***** rating. A sweet, insightful and fluid sound: organised character, stunning appearance. VERDICT: Not cheap or powerful, but the InPolRemix is a truly brilliant performer."

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Hi acalex ... have you got the January WHF magazine ... I didn't manage to get it but I hear there is a Pathos Inpol Remix review in there. The summary is:

"Design Miracle, Clever hybrid circuitry working in Class A mode and producing a great sound - with just 10 watts per channel. Five Star ***** rating. A sweet, insightful and fluid sound: organised character, stunning appearance. VERDICT: Not cheap or powerful, but the InPolRemix is a truly brilliant performer."

Tino...nice to read from you! Smile

Pathos is my next target...this week or next one. I will listen to the all family...we will see how they cope with my favorite so far... Wink

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tino wrote:

Hi acalex ... have you got the January WHF magazine ... I didn't manage to get it but I hear there is a Pathos Inpol Remix review in there. The summary is:

"Design Miracle, Clever hybrid circuitry working in Class A mode and producing a great sound - with just 10 watts per channel. Five Star ***** rating. A sweet, insightful and fluid sound: organised character, stunning appearance. VERDICT: Not cheap or powerful, but the InPolRemix is a truly brilliant performer."

Tino...nice to read from you! Smile

Pathos is my next target...this week or next one. I will listen to the all family...we will see how they cope with my favorite so far... Wink

Prego  :cheers:

... we wait to hear from you soon ... you are our unofficial hi-end eyes and golden ears Wink

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acalex wrote:

tino wrote:

Hi acalex ... have you got the January WHF magazine ... I didn't manage to get it but I hear there is a Pathos Inpol Remix review in there. The summary is:

"Design Miracle, Clever hybrid circuitry working in Class A mode and producing a great sound - with just 10 watts per channel. Five Star ***** rating. A sweet, insightful and fluid sound: organised character, stunning appearance. VERDICT: Not cheap or powerful, but the InPolRemix is a truly brilliant performer."

Tino...nice to read from you! Smile

Pathos is my next target...this week or next one. I will listen to the all family...we will see how they cope with my favorite so far... Wink

Prego  :cheers:

... we wait to hear from you soon ... you are our unofficial hi-end eyes and golden ears Wink

I am flattered!  :cheers:

In the meantime there is a way to change my picture?!? It seems in my profile the picture is upgraded but in the post I see the old one stretched...  :wall:

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Well, in this super cold afternoon (-8 Celsius here in Bx) I went to the shop in Brussels to compare the Jadis DA50S and the MF AMS35i head to head. This time source was a better and far more expensive cd player, the dCS Puccini...wow what's a difference from the begininng. The source really makes a day and night difference...but this is another story.

Started with the AMS35...connected to the usual Avalon Idea (9k eur mark) which are a great match for the AMS35 given their speed and accuracy...maybe a bit on the bright side.

It was a bit cold the AMS35 at the beginning (the guy switched it one just half an hour before) but was already showing what's capable of. After another half an hour it was so much better. Cabling was something in the mid-range, nothing super expensive. 

I already explained what I think of these 2 amaing amps...I will focus more on the difference I found in the direct comparison. I was almost puzzled in the end as I couldn't find the differences I was expecting to find! I will argument a bit better...

The Jadis was brilliant with voices and simple pieces (voice + 1 instrument is the perfect match for Jadis). Very emotional, very musical...but the AMS35 was almost the same! I seriously had a lot of troubles to spot serious difference between these 2 amps here...and this is where the tube was supposed to shine. To be fair, I think the Jadis was a bit better on voices...but what about the rest?

We tried complicated recordings (like big orchestra with voices and a lot of instruments) and the AMS was far better in giving back the rtyhm and the huge dynamics, much faster, always in control...we could bring the volume up and would always perform at its best.  The Jadis was very nice of course, but you could spot the limits, the rhytm was not comparable, the sound was less "deep" with the Jadis (not sure how to explain).

We tried also a complex drums piece...and again you could spot the limits of the Jadis compared to the AMS35. In the end I think the Jadis was slight better on voices, but this would not offset the fact that the AMS35 was better on a wider spectrum.

I then tried to negotiate some price for the AMS35 and the best I could squeeze for the demo one was 5.7k (4.7kGBP), is that a fair price?

I am back into big head scratching now....I would like to try the AMS35 with the Guarneri Memento but that is just not possible...cz I really liked the emtions I got from the duo Jadis+Memento and would like to see if that would be the same for the AMS35. 

Well tomorrow I am going to my favorite shop and try to figure something out with him also...stay tuned, I will make my decision by the end of this month Wink

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