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The Guarnieris aren't that easy a load. I'd suggest you need something around 100W or higher to get the best out of them - 35W is at the bottom end of their acceptable rating.

I tried them already with the Jadis and loved every second. The Jadis didn't have any problem with all types of music we tried and beyond my normal listening level also. At low volumes also they were performing very well and the ampli was perfectly capable...

So I agree with you that on paper that probably not a perferct match, but practically it was a beautiful combination. 

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The Guarnieris aren't that easy a load. I'd suggest you need something around 100W or higher to get the best out of them - 35W is at the bottom end of their acceptable rating.

Hi AL

If you are referring to the AMS 35i, this is far from a normal 35 W amp. It has been measured at pulling well over 400W from the mains, and doubles it's power into 4 Ohms, and again into 2 Ohms. It has no trouble driving Kef Refs, where the impedance drops to 3.2 Ohms.

What does surprise me, is a 30 W valve amp driving them...but hearing is believing.

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The Guarnieris aren't that easy a load. I'd suggest you need something around 100W or higher to get the best out of them - 35W is at the bottom end of their acceptable rating.

Hi AL If you are referring to the AMS 35i, it is not a normal 35W amp. It has been measured drawing well over 400 W from the mains, and doubles it's power into 4 Ohms and again into 2 Ohms. It has no trouble driving my 205/2s, whose impedance drops to 3.2 Ohms. What does surprise me, is a 30 W valve amp driving them....but hearing is believing.

Bear in mind we are talking about the Guarneri Memento, not the Guarneri Homage. I have lurked around on the web and it appears almost everybody agrees that the Jadis D50S and the GM are a wonderful match...

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I've heard them with a Leben integrated - 15W. Sounded very nice indeed, if a bit too warm for my taste, but I wouldn't have wanted to push the volume up too much.

I'm remember the dealer demo with the little Harbeth, where he compared a 50W with a 100W amp, and the Harbeths certainly sounded fuller and with better space round the instruments with the more powerful amp.

But there are no hard and fast rules in this game, of course  Wink

 

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I've heard them with a Leben integrated - 15W. Sounded very nice indeed, if a bit too warm for my taste, but I wouldn't have wanted to push the volume up too much.

I'm remember the dealer demo with the little Harbeth, where he compared a 50W with a 100W amp, and the Harbeths certainly sounded fuller and with better space round the instruments with the more powerful amp.

But there are no hard and fast rules in this game, of course  Wink

 

And plus...if I decide the valve amps is the route I want to follow, I think I will stop at the Jadis DA88S when it will be time. Regarding speakers, the GM will be my definitive ones for sure...or maybe the Amati futura one day  banging head against wall

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

I've heard them with a Leben integrated - 15W. Sounded very nice indeed, if a bit too warm for my taste, but I wouldn't have wanted to push the volume up too much.

I'm remember the dealer demo with the little Harbeth, where he compared a 50W with a 100W amp, and the Harbeths certainly sounded fuller and with better space round the instruments with the more powerful amp.

But there are no hard and fast rules in this game, of course  Wink

 

And plus...if I decide the valve amps is the route I want to follow, I think I will stop at the Jadis DA88S when it will be time. Regarding speakers, the GM will be my definitive ones for sure...or maybe the Amati futura one day  banging head against wall

That's hard to argue with. Smile

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

I've heard them with a Leben integrated - 15W. Sounded very nice indeed, if a bit too warm for my taste, but I wouldn't have wanted to push the volume up too much.

I'm remember the dealer demo with the little Harbeth, where he compared a 50W with a 100W amp, and the Harbeths certainly sounded fuller and with better space round the instruments with the more powerful amp.

But there are no hard and fast rules in this game, of course  Wink

 

And plus...if I decide the valve amps is the route I want to follow, I think I will stop at the Jadis DA88S when it will be time. Regarding speakers, the GM will be my definitive ones for sure...or maybe the Amati futura one day  banging head against wall

That's hard to argue with. Smile

I must say...the more I listen around the more I am feeling comfortable in taking the plunge and letting the money leave my bank account. Two weeks ago i was completely lost and confused, can't thank you enough for the huge help you gave me in finding my way Wink

Ah, forgot to mention...the dealer has the Amati Futura connected to a full Audio research system (preamp, CD Player, two power amps) + a turntable (can't remember the brand but it is around 10k) for a total close to 100k eur. Curios to how a 100k system will sound... Laughing out loud

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Hi Acalex, Does this mean you've discounted the MF AMS35? or will you be home demoeing that too? Enjoying the thread, cheers

Not at all. I just had the opportunity to try this beautiful amp at home for a month. I am going to do a direct comparison between Jadis and AMS this coming week or in 2 weeks time. 

I think there is a pattern emerging, but you are rightly seeing it through to the end.

Hi, Must admit, can't wait for "and the winner is!" Sounds like Acalex has found a really good dealer there, to be able to home demo gear for a month is pretty impressive. Don't know the Jadis at all and haven't managed to get to hear the AMS, but from your description Cno, it's certainly one I must, some time soon.

Yes indeed. I hope the Acalex gets to try the 35i with the Ref 205/2s, as well as Lavardin + LV....with a musical source. As you know, the Naim, good as it is, wouldn't meet the OP's criteria. The MF is VERY revealing of source and cables, and responds well to a good mains lead; the Lavardin sounds best with it's own (very expensive) cabling. With these amps, there isn't bad......just different. I suspect Jardis + SF gives such a rich, romantic and addictive presentation, that it'll be hard to overlook. It will just make everything sound enjoyable. My only (slight) reservation, is the extra cost and faff, that comes with the ownership of valves.

Yes, I agree, don't think I could be bothered with the extra faff of valves.
The equipment Acalex is trying definitely deserves a better source than the entry level Naim... Audio Research or a Wadia perhaps.

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Yes, I agree, don't think I could be bothered with the extra faff of valves. The equipment Acalex is trying definitely deserves a better source than the entry level Naim... Audio Research or a Wadia perhaps.

You have to try what a good valve amp is capable of doing before saying that!  rolling on the floor laughing

My final source will be a Clearaudio TT (the Performance or the Ovation if I judge the improvement worth the 2.5k eur premium) and a NOS tube DAC (Pathos, AN or Jadis itself) with a good streamer...that's for now my idea. 

I might replace DAC and streamer with a second hand Linn Klimax if it really convinces me...

 

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Yes, I agree, don't think I could be bothered with the extra faff of valves. The equipment Acalex is trying definitely deserves a better source than the entry level Naim... Audio Research or a Wadia perhaps.

You have to try what a good valve amp is capable of doing before saying that!  rolling on the floor laughing

My final source will be a Clearaudio TT (the Performance or the Ovation if I judge the improvement worth the 2.5k eur premium) and a NOS tube DAC (Pathos, AN or Jadis itself) with a good streamer...that's for now my idea. 

I might replace DAC and streamer with a second hand Linn Klimax if it really convinces me...

 

No offense, I'm sure it sounds wonderful, but just valves not for me, quite happy with class A.
How about this for your source; Jadis JD1 transport with psu and JS2 Signature DAC, mint/boxed, (RRP £20,200) offered for (GBP) 5250
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Yes, I agree, don't think I could be bothered with the extra faff of valves. The equipment Acalex is trying definitely deserves a better source than the entry level Naim... Audio Research or a Wadia perhaps.

You have to try what a good valve amp is capable of doing before saying that!  rolling on the floor laughing

My final source will be a Clearaudio TT (the Performance or the Ovation if I judge the improvement worth the 2.5k eur premium) and a NOS tube DAC (Pathos, AN or Jadis itself) with a good streamer...that's for now my idea. 

I might replace DAC and streamer with a second hand Linn Klimax if it really convinces me...

 

No offense, I'm sure it sounds wonderful, but just valves not for me, quite happy with class A. How about this for your source; Jadis JD1 transport with psu and JS2 Signature DAC, mint/boxed, (RRP £20,200) offered for (GBP) 5250 Cheers

 

Where?

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acalex wrote:

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Yes, I agree, don't think I could be bothered with the extra faff of valves. The equipment Acalex is trying definitely deserves a better source than the entry level Naim... Audio Research or a Wadia perhaps.

You have to try what a good valve amp is capable of doing before saying that!  rolling on the floor laughing

My final source will be a Clearaudio TT (the Performance or the Ovation if I judge the improvement worth the 2.5k eur premium) and a NOS tube DAC (Pathos, AN or Jadis itself) with a good streamer...that's for now my idea. 

I might replace DAC and streamer with a second hand Linn Klimax if it really convinces me...

 

No offense, I'm sure it sounds wonderful, but just valves not for me, quite happy with class A. How about this for your source; Jadis JD1 transport with psu and JS2 Signature DAC, mint/boxed, (RRP £20,200) offered for (GBP) 5250 Cheers

 

Where?

www.hifi-stereo.com

 

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I think there is a pattern emerging, but you are rightly seeing it through to the end.

What's the pattern emerging? Laughing out loud

Much as you enjoy listening to other great systems, you keep coming back to Jadis + SF.

To make absolutely certain, you are rightly listening to a 35i with vinyl (use a better mains lead, even if it's not a very expensive one), and the Lavardin + LV.

If on a demo you feel the sound is too bright, it is a good indicator as to how you will find it long term....unless your room is more damped. Generally speaking, if you get "smitten" by a certain speaker/amp combo, nearly everything else will fall short....though you still have to check the competition for peace of mind.

I see one of those shops also does McIntosh amps.....another great brand. Evil

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Don't listen to the evil man, go with your gut instinct  Wink He's just sewing seeds of doubts as per his name! (I could mean belying his name, but don't have the knowledgable one here at the mo)

Seriously, you can stuff around for ages with HiFi or simply go for it. I'm in the latter school. The Naim/Magnepan combo sounded so good I (we, really) didn't bother listening to much else - felt right, so we jumped in. Yes, listened to a lot before, but nothing had the impact of that combo.