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Hi Acalex,
Does this mean you've discounted the MF AMS35? or will you be home demoeing that too?
Enjoying the thread, cheers

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Hi Acalex, Does this mean you've discounted the MF AMS35? or will you be home demoeing that too? Enjoying the thread, cheers

Not at all. I just had the opportunity to try this beautiful amp at home for a month. I am going to do a direct comparison between Jadis and AMS this coming week or in 2 weeks time. 

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Hi Acalex, Does this mean you've discounted the MF AMS35? or will you be home demoeing that too? Enjoying the thread, cheers

Not at all. I just had the opportunity to try this beautiful amp at home for a month. I am going to do a direct comparison between Jadis and AMS this coming week or in 2 weeks time. 

I think there is a pattern emerging, but you are rightly seeing it through to the end.

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Macspur wrote:
Hi Acalex, Does this mean you've discounted the MF AMS35? or will you be home demoeing that too? Enjoying the thread, cheers

Not at all. I just had the opportunity to try this beautiful amp at home for a month. I am going to do a direct comparison between Jadis and AMS this coming week or in 2 weeks time. 

I think there is a pattern emerging, but you are rightly seeing it through to the end.

Hi,
Must admit, can't wait for "and the winner is!"
Sounds like Acalex has found a really good dealer there, to be able to home demo gear for a month is pretty impressive.
Don't know the Jadis at all and haven't managed to get to hear the AMS, but from your description Cno, it's certainly one I must, some time soon.

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Hi Acalex, Does this mean you've discounted the MF AMS35? or will you be home demoeing that too? Enjoying the thread, cheers

Not at all. I just had the opportunity to try this beautiful amp at home for a month. I am going to do a direct comparison between Jadis and AMS this coming week or in 2 weeks time. 

I think there is a pattern emerging, but you are rightly seeing it through to the end.

What's the pattern emerging? Biggrin

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Macspur wrote:
Hi Acalex, Does this mean you've discounted the MF AMS35? or will you be home demoeing that too? Enjoying the thread, cheers

Not at all. I just had the opportunity to try this beautiful amp at home for a month. I am going to do a direct comparison between Jadis and AMS this coming week or in 2 weeks time. 

I think there is a pattern emerging, but you are rightly seeing it through to the end.

Hi, Must admit, can't wait for "and the winner is!" Sounds like Acalex has found a really good dealer there, to be able to home demo gear for a month is pretty impressive. Don't know the Jadis at all and haven't managed to get to hear the AMS, but from your description Cno, it's certainly one I must, some time soon.

Ehehe, me too. That would be quite soon I guess Smile

Well, both are stunning amps, aesthetically also (which is also important).

The AMS35i is a massive pure class A amp. Beautifully built, and it sounds superb. Amazing bass, great control, accurate and fast, even if you listen at low volume it has the grip and you enjoy the music. Even if SS, it is indeed a very musical amp. Also had oppourtunity to listen to a Pass ampli with better source, better cables and a better acoustic (also higher price, +3k on the AMS) and it didn't come close. I tend to agree with Cno, it is the best integrated under 10k. It is not cheap, at 7/8k eur it needs a carefull assessment.

Then there is the Jadis, a bit "cheaper" (the Jadis I took home is the RC with remote control which costs 6k) is a valve hamp handcrafted in France. 4 big tubes (KT90 bought from Jadis. The politics of Jadis is to buy a stock of tubes from Russia, double check them carefully in their factory and only keep the best 25%. The rest is shipped back, so you can be sure about quality of components). Also a stunning amp in terms of aesthetics, 3 big transformers on top, a golden plate in front...

The sound of the Jadis is somehow special. As Cno said, it is not neutral, it is very coloured...but magical. So musical, so emotional, so relaxing. Can't stop listening to it. Also has very nice bass I wasn't expecting. 

The main difference is that when you listen to the AMS you want to hear every small detail, you are taken by the level of accuracy this amp can reproduce. The great control, the natural sound, the punchy and tight bass...when you listen to the Jadis you forget about everything. It is all about emotions, music "wrapping" you...you are just taken away. When matched with the SF Guarneri there is a magic going on. 

Speakers I have decided...I want SF Guarneri, my gf also approved as the best looking speakers we saw there...already said to the dealer that when he will be selling them as an ex demo I will take them for sure. 

Yes the treatment I had with this dealer was amazing. After a month I can have another amp at home...and also he could lend me the SF to try them at home before buying them. He can order for me the AMS but not for listening as he needs to buy it himself. So I decided I am comparing the AMS with the Jadis at another shop but I would buy from the first shop for sure!

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acalex wrote:

Macspur wrote:
Hi Acalex, Does this mean you've discounted the MF AMS35? or will you be home demoeing that too? Enjoying the thread, cheers

Not at all. I just had the opportunity to try this beautiful amp at home for a month. I am going to do a direct comparison between Jadis and AMS this coming week or in 2 weeks time. 

I think there is a pattern emerging, but you are rightly seeing it through to the end.

Hi, Must admit, can't wait for "and the winner is!" Sounds like Acalex has found a really good dealer there, to be able to home demo gear for a month is pretty impressive. Don't know the Jadis at all and haven't managed to get to hear the AMS, but from your description Cno, it's certainly one I must, some time soon.

Yes indeed.

I hope the Acalex gets to try the 35i with the Ref 205/2s, as well as Lavardin + LV....with a musical source. As you know, the Naim, good as it is, wouldn't meet the OP's criteria. The MF is VERY revealing of source and cables, and responds well to a good mains lead; the Lavardin sounds best with it's own (very expensive) cabling.

With these amps, there isn't bad......just different. I suspect Jardis + SF gives such a rich, romantic and addictive presentation, that it'll be hard to overlook. It will just make everything sound enjoyable. My only (slight) reservation, is the extra cost and faff, that comes with the ownership of valves.

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 My only (slight) reservation, is the extra cost and faff, that comes with the ownership of valves.

Hi Acalex,

For a faff-free option, what about Devialet?  http://www.devialet.com/

Class A/D hybrid one box solution. Looks awesome.

 

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CnoEvil wrote:

acalex wrote:

Macspur wrote:
Hi Acalex, Does this mean you've discounted the MF AMS35? or will you be home demoeing that too? Enjoying the thread, cheers

Not at all. I just had the opportunity to try this beautiful amp at home for a month. I am going to do a direct comparison between Jadis and AMS this coming week or in 2 weeks time. 

I think there is a pattern emerging, but you are rightly seeing it through to the end.

Hi, Must admit, can't wait for "and the winner is!" Sounds like Acalex has found a really good dealer there, to be able to home demo gear for a month is pretty impressive. Don't know the Jadis at all and haven't managed to get to hear the AMS, but from your description Cno, it's certainly one I must, some time soon.

Yes indeed. I hope the Acalex gets to try the 35i with the Ref 205/2s, as well as Lavardin + LV....with a musical source. As you know, the Naim, good as it is, wouldn't meet the OP's criteria. The MF is VERY revealing of source and cables, and responds well to a good mains lead; the Lavardin sounds best with it's own (very expensive) cabling. With these amps, there isn't bad......just different. I suspect Jardis + SF gives such a rich, romantic and addictive presentation, that it'll be hard to overlook. It will just make everything sound enjoyable. My only (slight) reservation, is the extra cost and faff, that comes with the ownership of valves.

Asked plenty of questions about this. Replacing valves will cost me around 400 eur (100 eur each) for the big ones (KT90) which will last for 5/6000hs. The smaller ones (5 at 20 eur each) will last for 10k hours. Meaning I am expecting to replace the big ones somewhere between 4 and 5 years. 

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 My only (slight) reservation, is the extra cost and faff, that comes with the ownership of valves.

Hi Acalex,

For a faff-free option, what about Devialet?  http://www.devialet.com/

Class A/D hybrid one box solution. Looks awesome.

 

I saw it...it is indeed beautiful but it costs 12k eur Biggrin

And to be honest with you, I am not looking for one box solution as I like to have a lot of stuff around ;). For now my gf is excited as much as I am...she even said that the Turntable Ovation is nicer than the performance so we should get that one (yeah...twice the price :D)

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And I forgot to add, you'll save yourself the cost of some very expensive cabling.. Smile

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And I forgot to add, you'll save yourself the cost of some very expensive cabling.. Smile

Cabling, as suggested by the dealer, will be my last upgrade. After I have built the system I can start swapping and trying cables. He suggested to start from power cables as they make an huge difference but can also make the sound worse so I need to try a lot of them before picking the right one. So for now I am not worried about expensive cables. The cables I have heard the Jadis with were normal very thick copper cables (I think around 250 eur for a pair of 2 mt)

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Acalex my friend, I posted my reply before reading your last entry.

I think your assessment of the 2 amps is spot on. As I have mentioned previously, the 35i works really well with Cardas (including mains cable), which just adds to it's musical presentation. I'm not advocating buying this cabling now, I'm just wanting you to hear how much better it can be made sound in the future....in case that could effect your buying decision.

Will you be trying the MF with the Guareni? Also remember, that.all the detail it diggs up, bodes well for vinyl and why I keep banging on about the need for a good source.

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Acalex my friend, I posted my reply before reading your last entry. I think you assessment of the 2 amps is spot on. As I have mentioned previously, the 35i works really well with Cardas (including mains cable), which just adds to it's musical presentation. I'm not advocating buying this cabling now, I'm just wanting you to hear how much better it can be made sound in the future....in case that could effect your buying decision. Will you be trying the MF with the Guareni? Also remember, that.all the detail it diggs up, bodes well for vinyl and why I keep banging on about the need for a good source.

I imagine how far it can go. That's why I agree with the dealer when saying you need to like it with normal cable and then upgrade to really get the best out of it. I am trying to "decode" the soul of the 2 amplifiers and understand which one fits better my cause. Regarding the source, I aksed the dealer to compare the AMS and the Jadis with a turntable as I had impression the Naim CDP wasn't that impressive...

In terms of matching speakers that's more difficult, they might have the Kef reference, I will call them on Tuesday to check if they can prepare for me the SF (they have the Amati Futura and the Cremona M, not sure about the Guarneri) and the Kef also. This shop with the AMS35 was so excited about those Avalon Idea...I think they are maybe too bright for my taste and might be tiring aftar a while. But hey, the AMS with Avalon is a great combo...for a musician! For example a pianist might appreciate a lot these speakers as they reproduce the piano sound perfectly, no distorsions...

Lavardin with LV is a sure demo, maybe next Saturday as I am going there to start looking at second hand vinyls also Wink

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The Guarnieris aren't that easy a load. I'd suggest you need something around 100W or higher to get the best out of them - 35W is at the bottom end of their acceptable rating.

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