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A NOS Dac does no over/upsampling, and in the case of the likes of Audio Note, no filtering as well (ie. no brick wall filter)....it's not necessarily better.

The Pathos InTransfer Mk11 Dac should also be on your radar...it should be around €3k when released. Their Musiteca Streaming solution (£5950) looks gorgeous:
http://www.audiooasis.co.uk/en/prodinfo.php?productid=PAT-CD-Musiteca

A DAC takes the digital signal (1s & 0s) from digital devices (eg. CDP) and converts it to the analogue domain so it can be heard. A TT playing Vinyl, is already in the analogue domain, so doesn't need converting.

Audiophile recordings sound brilliant, so can make most systems sound good, so lesser recordings are necessary for assessment.

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A NOS Dac does no over/upsampling, and in the case of the likes of Audio Note, no filtering as well (ie. no brick wall filter)....it's not necessarily better. The Pathos InTransfer Mk11 Dac should also be on your radar...it should be around €3k when released. Their Musiteca Streaming solution (£5950) looks gorgeous: http://www.audiooasis.co.uk/en/prodinfo.php?productid=PAT-CD-Musiteca A DAC takes the digital signal (1s & 0s) from digital devices (eg. CDP) and converts it to the analogue domain so it can be heard. A TT playing Vinyl, is already in the analogue domain, so doesn't need converting. Audiophile recordings sound brilliant, so can make most systems sound good, so lesser recordings are necessary for assessment.

That's true...even I knew that Biggrin

The Pathos Musiteca IS stunning...I think has a tube output stage as well...

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When you have such a DAC would you put everything trough it? For example even the TT?

It was this suggestion that prompted the comment. Wink

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When you have such a DAC would you put everything trough it? For example even the TT?

It was this suggestion that prompted the comment. ;)

Yes of course, I knew it! I was saying after reading your comment that I am stupid as I knew that also but don't know why I asked Biggrin

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The speaker cables we used in the shop were those ones AH brand...never heard but pure copper, quite thick and very nice to see also. Absolutely not creazily expensive

 

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The speaker cables we used in the shop were those ones AH brand...never heard but pure copper, quite thick and very nice to see also. Absolutely not creazily expensive

 

I think you should initially stick with the cable that sounds good (like your picture), and not spend a fortune....cables, conditioning and isolation are (imo) all worth doing but can get expensive.

I think you said it yourself, get the gear right now and worry about the rest later.

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The speaker cables we used in the shop were those ones AH brand...never heard but pure copper, quite thick and very nice to see also. Absolutely not creazily expensive

 

I think you should initially stick with the cable that sounds good (like your picture), and not spend a fortune....cables, conditioning and isolation are (imo) all worth doing but can get expensive. I think you said it yourself, get the gear right now and worry about the rest later.

Funniliy enough is what the dealer said! He said "I think you should stcik with those good cable now, and once you will build your system I will help you to fine tune the sound with more expensive cables...as those are the last thing to take into account". I am glad you say the same...this confirms the great impression I had yesterday.

These speaker cables will cost 125 eur for a meter, 175 for a 2mt pair.

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Funniliy enough is what the dealer said! He said "I think you should stcik with those good cable now, and once you will build your system I will help you to fine tune the sound with more expensive cables...as those are the last thing to take into account". I am glad you say the same...this confirms the great impression I had yesterday.

These speaker cables will cost 125 eur for a meter, 175 for a 2mt pair.

€125/m isn't that cheap, but (in the context of what's out there) it's not expensive either.....imo worth going for if it sounds right.

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Funniliy enough is what the dealer said! He said "I think you should stcik with those good cable now, and once you will build your system I will help you to fine tune the sound with more expensive cables...as those are the last thing to take into account". I am glad you say the same...this confirms the great impression I had yesterday.

These speaker cables will cost 125 eur for a meter, 175 for a 2mt pair.

€125/m isn't that cheap, but (in the context of what's out there) it's not expensive either.....imo worth going for if it sounds right.

He also has Cardas speaker cables, but those are much more expensive. And also 1.5 metres power cord Gloden cross reference by Cardas at 500 eur as ex-demo Biggrin

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I checked reccomendations on SF flyer of Guarneri memento model...says 30-200W amps. The next step of the JADIS D50S will be stunning and absolutely perfect I guess with those speakers :). Won't ask the dealer to plug it for now...cz is very dangerous. 

He also said he will take back everything I bought from him whenever I want to upgrade. Or I could simply leave the stuff in the shop and he will try to sell at the price I want. I think this is very fair...right?

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Funniliy enough is what the dealer said! He said "I think you should stcik with those good cable now, and once you will build your system I will help you to fine tune the sound with more expensive cables...as those are the last thing to take into account". I am glad you say the same...this confirms the great impression I had yesterday.

These speaker cables will cost 125 eur for a meter, 175 for a 2mt pair.

€125/m isn't that cheap, but (in the context of what's out there) it's not expensive either.....imo worth going for if it sounds right.

Yes but next meter is "only" 50 eur more...

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He also has Cardas speaker cables, but those are much more expensive. And also 1.5 metres power cord Gloden cross reference by Cardas at 500 eur as ex-demo Biggrin

You seem to have an uncanny knack of anticipating my advice before I have given it.

Once you had settled in to your new system, I was going to recommend Cardas...but i wasn't sure if it would be available.

It is my favorite cable (I use Golden Cross) because of its ability to offset "digitalitis". Outside America it's inclined to be very expensive (it's bad enough in America).

In the context of your system, I would have recommended Golden Reference with the Jardis, and Golden Cross with the 35i.

At this stage, it would be too much money to blow on cabling (I also love their power cables).

That really was a gem of a dealer you stumbled upon.....though hazardous to the wallet.

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He also has Cardas speaker cables, but those are much more expensive. And also 1.5 metres power cord Gloden cross reference by Cardas at 500 eur as ex-demo Biggrin

You seem to have an uncanny knack of anticipating my advice before I have given it. Once you had settled in to your new system, I was going to recommend Cardas...but i wasn't sure if it would be available. It is my favorite cable (I use Golden Cross) because of its ability to offset "digitalitis". Outside America it's inclined to be very expensive (it's bad enough in America). In the context of your system, I would have recommended Golden Reference with the Jardis, and Golden Cross with the 35i. At this stage, it would be too much money to blow on cabling (I also love their power cables). That really was a gem of a dealer you stumbled upon.....though hazardous to the wallet.

Yes, I have to recognize that even if not expert I still have a good eye and instinct for good quality (and unfortunately expensive) stuff. 

Yes he has Cardas cable, QED, Transparent cables, PrimaLuna etc...

Made a mistake, the 1mt ex demo was Golden reference power cable at 500 instead of 750eur. He also has golden reference 1mt interconnect as an ex demo...RCA/RCA 1k eur 

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I checked reccomendations on SF flyer of Guarneri memento model...says 30-200W amps. The next step of the JADIS D50S will be stunning and absolutely perfect I guess with those speakers :). Won't ask the dealer to plug it for now...cz is very dangerous. 

He also said he will take back everything I bought from him whenever I want to upgrade. Or I could simply leave the stuff in the shop and he will try to sell at the price I want. I think this is very fair...right?

The Jardis is a fairly "gutsy" 30 Watts, so it bodes well (LV may give it a run for the money)

The 35i, due to doubling power into 4 Ohms and again into 2 Ohms, should (in theory) drive the Guarneri Mementos even better....we shall see.

The service you are getting from this dealer, is what I get from the two I use here.....and shows the difference between large stores and specialist / knowledgeable dealers, who are run (with passion) by the owner (and possibly his family).

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acalex wrote:

I checked reccomendations on SF flyer of Guarneri memento model...says 30-200W amps. The next step of the JADIS D50S will be stunning and absolutely perfect I guess with those speakers :). Won't ask the dealer to plug it for now...cz is very dangerous. 

He also said he will take back everything I bought from him whenever I want to upgrade. Or I could simply leave the stuff in the shop and he will try to sell at the price I want. I think this is very fair...right?

The Jardis is a fairly "gutsy" 30 Watts, so it bodes well (LV may give it a run for the money) The 35i, due to doubling power into 4 Ohms and again into 2 Ohms, should (in theory) drive the Guarneri Mementos even better....we shall see. The service you are getting from this dealer, is what I get from the two I use here.....and shows the difference between large stores and specialist / knowledgeable dealers, who are run (with passion) by the owner (and possibly his family).

Indeed, thats the case and I prefer much more this to be honest. I want to feel special when I go there and listen, want to feel that he's really trying to udnerstand what my needs are and then advice instead of just trying to seel me as much as they can within the budget...

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