Something like a NaimUniti 2 all-in-one (best part of £3K) is also a case of putting (almost) 'all your eggs in one basket', but they give out 5 year guarantees and can also service and repair kit bought from them decades ago. Their survival in 10, 20 years time is not dependent on the founders still running the business. (Obviously any company can cease trading for any reason, but one that is entirely run and staffed by two men of retirement/near-retirement age is less likely to be trading by then.)
"I'm an independently wealthy, sixty six year old and can retire when I please and Martin's design skills are much in demand, so he has no worries either.” Ashley James, 21/08/2012
What classical music are you listening to?
Entirely speculation, but I'd assume they'll sell out at some point. Their business model seems to work, and, although tiny, they apparently have enough interest to keep the company going.
Without having seen any figures I'd guess they're an attractive enough investment., perhaps even for a group of their most diehard fans. Many designers contract out now, so it wouldn't be too hard to add new designs to their product range in the future. Downside is expansion - AVI really are small, as their website, which currently has less than 2000 members, seems to indicate, and there are a lot of much bigger fish out there. As it stands they have a small factory without much in the way of tooling (guessing, haven't seen it) so expansion would mean a heavy investment in new machinery and, possibly, premises.
and he was Banned for bad debt...
What do you mean?
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Have you read the full post in pinkfishmedia ?
Under the name it says succinctly: "Banned. Bad debt."
I think trade members have to pay on that forum, and obviously either Ashley forgot - or his business isn't as good as I thought
Life's too short for thirty pages of that (well, bank holiday weekends are).
Please summarise who (or what) had (or has) debt to whom and how that effects the long term future of AVI and the relevance to them being able to mend/service their products in the future.
Ah. No relevance at all then.
I'm sorry to say I skimmed through most of it:
Question: Anyone heard a pair of ADM 40s?..........47 pages later...........Answer:
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Another thread meandering away from the OP.
can we not agree all suggestions are legitimate, and through demoing I'm sure the OP will come to a decision.
Wherever you demo the speakers its unlikely you'd recreate your own listening environment, if you can get home demos, all the better.
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I've said full Post, not thead... 30 pages of a product i'll never buy...
The bottom line that I wanted to say is: How can I trust any statement from some one who have been banned?
Sorry, but I as a consumer don't!
"We've sold getting on for 4000 pairs of ADM9's now, we have a forum that receives around a thousand unique visits a day and an owners club on Facebook, so we're doing quite well. ADM40s, despite their very high price also sold extremely well initially and now more steadily as you'd expect.
We're doing especially well when you consider that I'm an independently wealthy, sixty six year old and can retire when I please and Martin's design skills are much in demand, so he has no worries either.
I'm more worried about spiteful people who spend five odd year pouring bile on people and products they've never heard. it's not healthy old chap." This is Ashley James full post, and apparently the business is going fine and he is banned for bad debt, even he forgot to pay he as an image to take care as a owner of a brand/product.
On bass transients, the ADM 9's have far more distortion than the sort of speaker I recommended earlier in this thread.
This is again simply untrue. Most of the speakers you favour are 'big old legacy' designs from the past. Technology advances in driver designs have made big advances. Particularly in the reduction of distortion. AVI are noted for pursuing the advantages of leading edge designs in driver technology.
I'm afraid Lindsayt is quite correct on this one. regardless of any improvements in driver design over the years physics laws still abide and a smaller driver asked to play low will always generate more distortion than a larger one. if still in doubt I'd recommend visiting zaph's website. he did all the hard work for you already. you can compare a lot of 6.5" and 8" woofers. you'll easily notice marked improvement in THD between a smaller and a larger one. for instance a 6.5" Scanspeak 18wu8741t00 has 2nd order distortion at 1.79% at 40 Hz for fundamental at 92dB at 0.5m. then an 8" Scanspeak 22w8851t00 has 2nd order distortion at 0.32% at 40Hz for fundamental at 96dB at 0.5m. as you can see not only is the distortion considerably lower for an 8" driver but also it can retain higher linearity at higher SPLs. now imagine what the results would be like for a 15" woofer?
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Generally speaking, if something sounds too good to be true, it is. I get that feeling about AVI speakers and it comes from reading posts by the pro AVI lobby!
I've never heard them admittedly, but claiming that small speakers like that can have so much power as to fill a room of 100 sq metres with clear rich sound seems to defy the laws of physics.
I did have quite an open mind about them and was interested in hearing them but the far fetched claims I'm reading are putting me off.
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