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RE: Nearly there.....but could use some advice

TubularTechnician wrote:

Exoticsounds wrote:

In any case you will not really know how it sounds till you get it set-up and playing in your own room.

From a pc/mac to the DAC you can use any solidly built usb cable no special hi-fi cable is needed there, the same goes more or less also for a coax cable to connect the CD to the DAC.

The signal cable from the the dac to the amp is a bit more important and here you could spring for some nice interconnects like for instance a pair of Atlas, Chord or Van den Hul's.

The place where you are most likly to hear any "significant" difference is the speaker cables, so you could spring for a nice pair from a brand like Audioquest, Wireworld, Chord, Atlas or QED.

So I connect the CD to the DAC and the DAC to the amp ? Excuse my ignorance but are these digital or analogues ? :oops: I'm presuming the Sonos Connect goes into the DAC also and the ithing connects with the Sonos ?

I suppose what I'm most concerned about is that the base may be boomy in a narrow room. Is there a speaker cable in that lot that could negate that ?  Wont be playing at massive volumes and I'm really looking for as much detail as I can get from the system.

 

At this stage you're worrying about nothing, which seems a bit pointless. Get the kit in the room, set it up properly and listen to it for a few days before you get used to it. If after that you find some actual rather than hypothetical problems then come back on here and ask and people will try and help. 

 

As you've clearly done your research, you'll be aware there is a big debate over the efficacy of cables. No-one has ever been able reliably to tell the difference between them in blind tests. Even if they could influence the sound, at this stage you have no idea what changes to the sound you wish to make. You have also already spent a lot of money and shouldn't be spending more unnecessarily. I would therefore recommend using basic interconnects and generic multi strand copper speaker cable. If after some time with the system you really want to make cable changes, then obtain some that you can return free of charge and see if you can really hear a difference. 

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+1 for Ben. I cant help thinking that aome advice has been unusually rather negative and maybe less helpful. I am sure the system u have ordered after demo is capable of delivering a decent sound for yr buck and asking for cables to correct a theoretical short coming is not the way forward. As Ben says, set it all up & enjoy for a while. Pix later of room & layout will help to overcome any deficiencies. You may need to consider some room treatment too.
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Hi TT,

Would a home demo be possible?  If so, think that would put your mind at rest a bit, instead of worrying about

the likes of cables

at this stage.

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Having your speakers firing across the narrow part of room away from any side walls will give you the best results anyway.

My old lounge was set up like that and it sounded fantastic.

 

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I wonder which speakers u put against the KEFs? Interest only. I recon you will have a really decent system. As stated, across room is not necessarily bad although like many I think setee against back wall is less than ideal. Soft furnishings, non leather is good. Cheers

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On an order like that I would have got cables throw in for free. If buying I would get Van Damme OFC for speakers about £4 p metre, Van Damme are pro suppliers used in studios and concert halls etc. Doubt you will get anything better without spending much more money. The mark-up on things like hifi cables is rather high.

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Cynic-al wrote:

Having your speakers firing across the narrow part of room away from any side walls will give you the best results anyway.

My old lounge was set up like that and it sounded fantastic.

 

 

+1. The fact that they are a third into the room is great as well. I wouldn't worry about this at all.

I do think that given the overall size of the room that maybe the bass could get swallowed up a bit, which is why several people immedately mentioned floorstanders. But with standmounts in a small room, people always complain that they can't get far enough from the walls and corners to tame boominess. So it just goes to show, you can't win.

I predict you will be thrilled with your system. Take a deep breath. You'll love it for quite awhile and once you are longer as excited, you can upgrade something and you'll love it again. If only real life worked this way.

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Cynic-al wrote:

Having your speakers firing across the narrow part of room away from any side walls will give you the best results anyway.

My old lounge was set up like that and it sounded fantastic.

 

 

Yes I tend to agree, away from corners and in a triangle (more or less equal sides) works pretty well I find, thats assuming you can sit opposite them, decent imitimate soundstage as well.

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Probably a bit late now, but I would have suggested a pair of ADM9 RS coupled to a Sonos connect. Build you multi-room system with additional Sonos devices.

I haven't looked at the price of all the kit you are looking at, but the Sonos/ADM solution would be around £1515, ish.

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No bias then?

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RobinKidderminster wrote:
No bias then?

Of course not, an ATV or AEX would probably be another solution that would fit the bill. Fed by a NAS both solutions would be an ideal set up for the OPs purposes.

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Firstly, thanks for all the replys.

As mentioned I am probably worrying about nothing and I have no idea how it will sound until it actually plays something ! But in my defence it is very confusing starting from scratch in a field I know nothing about, having to rely on reviews and user recomendations. I've read so much 'this cable can offset this and those speakers can counter that' that you end up going over and over it all until you don't know where you are.

To answer a couple of points: Home demo. Now I'd read about home demo's on the forum but  I didn't want the wife and girls knowing what I was planning as its a suprise and to be honest, as stupid as it sounds I didn't want to be too much trouble to the shop who don't know me from Adam and probably thought I was wasting their time as I didn't have a clue what I was going on about !

@ Robin re kefs: I'd originaly been checking out low budget systems and heard the Dali zensor's and the Tannoy Revolution DC6 in Richer Sounds and I liked the sound but not the looks for my room. I picked the Kef for audition on looks and they sounded fantastic to me in the demo room, better than what i could recall of the others in RS and I'd heard the Tannoys in there with the K2 amp. Obviously in the back of my head were the LS50's with similar looks and the high praise on here but I stopped short of a demo as the budget had gone from £550 to penny's shy of 2K without cables the more I read up about it, and I probably would have bought them putting £200 + higher grade cabling on the top. Also, as I've knocked back the CDP budget to increase on amp and speakers I figured that the CD6004 may not do the 50's justice and the R100's would be more friendly ? Must admit to a nagging doubt that I should have demoed them if only to see what all the fuss is about.

Very relieved that some of you say aiming across the narrow part of the room is fine but I do have a large leather sofa that I'll be sat in to listen :doh:  Ah well, as Spursgator noted, you cant win !

As for actives, yes did consider them because as a newbie to hi fi I havent got a foot in a camp yet but I'm really not very tech savy and downloading and bitrates baffle me. I couldn't see myself ripping a CD to a NAS as it takes me 10mins to just log into an email account so ruled out the active side of things.

@ ID: I realise that in the grand scheme of hi fi my system is very modest, indeed I'm staggered by the price of some of the forum members kit, but as a scaffolder for 30 + years I can honestly say I've never earned an easy quid in my life. Infact I've shivered my way to most of them over the years. Even though I now own my own firm I still know how difficult it is to earn 2 grand in my game in this financial climate, and although I could have walked into Frank Harvey and walked out with the blades had I wished, I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that and it wouldn't have catapulted me to the top of the hi fi knowledge pile either.  No Range Rovers on my drive, just a 7 year old Navara and the wifes mini. I much prefer modest but theres no harm in wanting modest to be as good as it can be.

Right then, I'm off to check out cables and interconnects from atlas and Van Damme.

 

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Sounds to me like yr lack of expweience is made up for by common sense and careful thought. Good luck with your ventures into this bottomless pit. I recon u will enjoy yr kit very much and in a few yrs time u will enjoy with many more here, the long joirney to utopia. Smile
U will be welcome back here Im sure.
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TubularTechnician wrote:

Firstly, thanks for all the replys.

As mentioned I am probably worrying about nothing and I have no idea how it will sound until it actually plays something ! But in my defence it is very confusing starting from scratch in a field I know nothing about, having to rely on reviews and user recomendations. I've read so much 'this cable can offset this and those speakers can counter that' that you end up going over and over it all until you don't know where you are.

To answer a couple of points: Home demo. Now I'd read about home demo's on the forum but  I didn't want the wife and girls knowing what I was planning as its a suprise and to be honest, as stupid as it sounds I didn't want to be too much trouble to the shop who don't know me from Adam and probably thought I was wasting their time as I didn't have a clue what I was going on about !

@ Robin re kefs: I'd originaly been checking out low budget systems and heard the Dali zensor's and the Tannoy Revolution DC6 in Richer Sounds and I liked the sound but not the looks for my room. I picked the Kef for audition on looks and they sounded fantastic to me in the demo room, better than what i could recall of the others in RS and I'd heard the Tannoys in there with the K2 amp. Obviously in the back of my head were the LS50's with similar looks and the high praise on here but I stopped short of a demo as the budget had gone from £550 to penny's shy of 2K without cables the more I read up about it, and I probably would have bought them putting £200 + higher grade cabling on the top. Also, as I've knocked back the CDP budget to increase on amp and speakers I figured that the CD6004 may not do the 50's justice and the R100's would be more friendly ? Must admit to a nagging doubt that I should have demoed them if only to see what all the fuss is about.

Very relieved that some of you say aiming across the narrow part of the room is fine but I do have a large leather sofa that I'll be sat in to listen :doh:  Ah well, as Spursgator noted, you cant win !

As for actives, yes did consider them because as a newbie to hi fi I havent got a foot in a camp yet but I'm really not very tech savy and downloading and bitrates baffle me. I couldn't see myself ripping a CD to a NAS as it takes me 10mins to just log into an email account so ruled out the active side of things.

@ ID: I realise that in the grand scheme of hi fi my system is very modest, indeed I'm staggered by the price of some of the forum members kit, but as a scaffolder for 30 + years I can honestly say I've never earned an easy quid in my life. Infact I've shivered my way to most of them over the years. Even though I now own my own firm I still know how difficult it is to earn 2 grand in my game in this financial climate, and although I could have walked into Frank Harvey and walked out with the blades had I wished, I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that and it wouldn't have catapulted me to the top of the hi fi knowledge pile either.  No Range Rovers on my drive, just a 7 year old Navara and the wifes mini. I much prefer modest but theres no harm in wanting modest to be as good as it can be.

Right then, I'm off to check out cables and interconnects from atlas and Van Damme.

 

 

I think you misunderstand about actives, actives are speakers with the amps inside them and also a DAC if you get the ADMs, all you have to do is plug in a cd player or whatever source you have and that is it, so far easier and you don't have to worry about speaker cables or other cables. So nothing to do with ripping cds or NAS, not unless you want to go that route, you can play your dvd through which many people do, have them set up either side of the tv, some even play cds on a blu-ray dvd player.

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Thanks Robin, I'll let you know how it sounds.

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