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RE: Latest update from naim on its 500 series

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But they do rather talk a lot of semi mystical 'carp' when it comes to a lot of things 

Interestingly, you'll notice there are no 'claims' at all in the press release, least of all about how it might sound.

Only that they have created... "the ultimate musical experience".

http://www.naimaudio.com/news/article/introducing-statement

"We are currently awaiting the loading of our complement of small lemon-soaked paper napkins for your comfort, refreshment and hygiene during the journey."

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RE: Latest update from naim on its 500 series

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I love Naim.  

But it's pronounced EN AY I EM right?

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RE: Latest update from naim on its 500 series

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Wow, the Naim haters are really out in force......................

They're not finished yet - they'll be milking this one, despite having not heard it... Smile

As per usual David..................

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RE: Latest update from naim on its 500 series

Well hey, if they trickle down the technology to the lesser amps then I'm all for it. At least, unlike the Linn DS at the start, this isn't an incomplete experiment they're charging customers for.

It's funny though, nothing new from B&W? No new 600 series? Also, I was expecting Cyrus to reveal a new integrated amp. I see Arcam have announced their 200w A49 integrated amp, but their Solo series are now the neglected black sheep of the family - again nothing new.

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RE: Latest update from naim on its 500 series

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Well hey, if they trickle down the technology to the lesser amps then I'm all for it. At least, unlike the Linn DS at the start, this isn't an incomplete experiment they're charging customers for.

Well this is it. Firstly, it might be absolutely stunning, maybe even a gamechanger as far as accurate reproduction is concerned - we don't know, we've not heard it!

Secondly, most people forget that much of the technology and design aspects of their existing system came from high end products.

It's a standard thing though nowadays though isn't it - keyboard warriors at the ready to slag off anything new (despite not having, and probably never going to have, first hand experience of).

 

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RE: Latest update from naim on its 500 series

David@FrankHarvey wrote:

manicm wrote:
Well hey, if they trickle down the technology to the lesser amps then I'm all for it. At least, unlike the Linn DS at the start, this isn't an incomplete experiment they're charging customers for.

Well this is it. Firstly, it might be absolutely stunning, maybe even a gamechanger as far as accurate reproduction is concerned - we don't know, we've not heard it!

Secondly, most people forget that much of the technology and design aspects of their existing system came from high end products.

It's a standard thing though nowadays though isn't it - keyboard warriors at the ready to slag off anything new (despite not having, and probably never going to have, first hand experience of).

 

+1,

it happens a lot on here..............

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And keyboard warriors who happen to be dealers always on hand to defend products they've never heard? Anyway, David, how good anything is can be worked out by looking at the price tag, remember?

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David@FrankHarvey wrote:

manicm wrote:
Well hey, if they trickle down the technology to the lesser amps then I'm all for it. At least, unlike the Linn DS at the start, this isn't an incomplete experiment they're charging customers for.

Well this is it. Firstly, it might be absolutely stunning, maybe even a gamechanger as far as accurate reproduction is concerned - we don't know, we've not heard it!

Secondly, most people forget that much of the technology and design aspects of their existing system came from high end products.

It's a standard thing though nowadays though isn't it - keyboard warriors at the ready to slag off anything new (despite not having, and probably never going to have, first hand experience of).

 

Naim did a lot of things right last year, ending up winning awards. Cudos.

But seriously, 400+ kg and 700+ Watt in the apartment, hypothetically of course, is that the bulls eye?

The pre presentation film would suite ordinary consumer products better, building up a lot of expectation.

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And keyboard warriors who happen to be dealers always on hand to defend products they've never heard? Anyway, David, how good anything is can be worked out by looking at the price tag, remember?

Ah yes, that little rumour that was started over on the "other forum". They do like to talk.

I'm not defending the product. I'm defending its right to be judged by those that have heard it.

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RE: Latest update from naim on its 500 series

No idea what you're talking about. I'm refering to your dismissal of products based on their price (which took place here, and certainly isn't rumour), remember? No, of course not.

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No idea what you're talking about. I'm refering to your dismissal of products based on their price (which took place here, and certainly isn't rumour), remember? No, of course not.

I think LS50s are better than some more expensive speakers, so that makes your statement null and void. And yes, I do remember. Context is everything.

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RE: Naim Vertical Form - Active Speakers???

Of course, any decent HiFi mag would secure one of these as a reader competition prize, wouldn't they ?

John Duncan - I think we should be told ! 

I'll chuck in a pair of OLI RA4 loudspeakers to go with.

:bounce:

 

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ROTH AV wrote:

Of course, any decent HiFi mag would secure one of these as a reader competition prize, wouldn't they ?

John Duncan - I think we should be told !

I don't think JD actually works for the magazine these days.

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Or, indeed, for about the last three years.

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RE: Naim Vertical Form - Active Speakers???

I'm afraid I'm with the naysayers on this one, based purely on its price. Naim make very good equipment and I'm happy with the concept of premium pricing for a premium product. There is a limit though, and $200,000 is frankly way past it, whether it's Naim or any other manufacturer.

Put it into context, the same money buys you a brand spanking new Bentley. That is a premium product at a premium price but you can at least see where the cost comes from. Significant investment in R&D, a complex supply chain, high material costs, lots (compared to audio) of clever engineering etc etc. 

Ultimately if people want to spend that much on hifi (of any flavour) then it's their money. Those defending the ultra high end are often those bemoaning the lack of credibility that hi fi has these days though - it's not cool like it was in the 60's etc. No chance of returning to that position if we keep going in this direction. 

All of which is said with a twinge of sadness, not anger. And I'd quite happily live with Naim kit so I'm not bashing them per se. I just wish someone would lead by example. Yes I know, naive! 

Edit - add Light Harmonic's new $120,000 DAC to the argument so that it doesn't become an anti-Naim tirade. 

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