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RE: Naim 5i-2 vs Roksan Kandy K2 CDP

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I've borrowed a Rega DAC for 24 hours.  Hopefully it will help you to hear my thoughts on a comparison with the Roksan PP...

The Rega DAC (fed by SBT/FLAC files or CD transport) is more overtly detailed and widescreen than the Roksan, and initially comes across as bass light in comparison.  Where the Roksan paints in broad, atmospheric strokes with a substantial and warm bass, the Rega paints with small and delicate brush strokes communicating every detail and really opening up the mix.  They are both excellent, but give completely different sounds.  It certainly impressed me how much of the difference my budget Denon amp and Q Acoustics speakers show up.  As to which I prefer, I'm not sure.  I've got so much admiration for the talents of the Rega, yet I occasionally miss a little warmth.  Maybe that slight lack of warmth is something you get used to - I'll see how I feel when I listen again tomorrow afternoon.  Sometimes when listening to the Roksan I miss some of the openess and delicacy that the Rega brings.  Maybe the ideal lies somewhere in-between the two....  Maybe that somewhere in-between is otherwise known as Arcam...

Thanks, Matthew. I fear it has no relation with my set-up, as I don't stream music any Dac would only be used in conjunction with CDP.

I've heard the Rega Dac but find it difficult to make a convincing case for it.

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What about an Arcam CD 17 in silver (obviously!) The Exposure CD players in silver look good too.

Paul

 

When I was demoing speakers at Xmas I took my Creek along and for the source used my dealers Exposure 2010 S2 CDP. Very impressive indeed.

If I didn't already have an Arcam CD17, then I would seriously consider one of the Exposures if one came up at a good price.

However the CD17 is a tremendous player and can be picked up pretty cheap 2nd hand these days.

 

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matthewpiano wrote:

I've borrowed a Rega DAC for 24 hours.  Hopefully it will help you to hear my thoughts on a comparison with the Roksan PP...

The Rega DAC (fed by SBT/FLAC files or CD transport) is more overtly detailed and widescreen than the Roksan, and initially comes across as bass light in comparison.  Where the Roksan paints in broad, atmospheric strokes with a substantial and warm bass, the Rega paints with small and delicate brush strokes communicating every detail and really opening up the mix.  They are both excellent, but give completely different sounds.  It certainly impressed me how much of the difference my budget Denon amp and Q Acoustics speakers show up.  As to which I prefer, I'm not sure.  I've got so much admiration for the talents of the Rega, yet I occasionally miss a little warmth.  Maybe that slight lack of warmth is something you get used to - I'll see how I feel when I listen again tomorrow afternoon.  Sometimes when listening to the Roksan I miss some of the openess and delicacy that the Rega brings.  Maybe the ideal lies somewhere in-between the two....  Maybe that somewhere in-between is otherwise known as Arcam...

Thanks, Matthew. I fear it has no relation with my set-up, as I don't stream music any Dac would only be used in conjunction with CDP.

I've heard the Rega Dac but find it difficult to make a convincing case for it.

Hi PP.  My point wasn't that you should consider the Rega as I know you have tried it.  Rather it was to help to communicate to you the tonal qualities of the Roksan using something you had heard (the Rega) as a reference point.

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matthewpiano wrote:

I've borrowed a Rega DAC for 24 hours.  Hopefully it will help you to hear my thoughts on a comparison with the Roksan PP...

The Rega DAC (fed by SBT/FLAC files or CD transport) is more overtly detailed and widescreen than the Roksan, and initially comes across as bass light in comparison.  Where the Roksan paints in broad, atmospheric strokes with a substantial and warm bass, the Rega paints with small and delicate brush strokes communicating every detail and really opening up the mix.  They are both excellent, but give completely different sounds.  It certainly impressed me how much of the difference my budget Denon amp and Q Acoustics speakers show up.  As to which I prefer, I'm not sure.  I've got so much admiration for the talents of the Rega, yet I occasionally miss a little warmth.  Maybe that slight lack of warmth is something you get used to - I'll see how I feel when I listen again tomorrow afternoon.  Sometimes when listening to the Roksan I miss some of the openess and delicacy that the Rega brings.  Maybe the ideal lies somewhere in-between the two....  Maybe that somewhere in-between is otherwise known as Arcam...

Thanks, Matthew. I fear it has no relation with my set-up, as I don't stream music any Dac would only be used in conjunction with CDP.

I've heard the Rega Dac but find it difficult to make a convincing case for it.

Hi PP.  My point wasn't that you should consider the Rega as I know you have tried it.  Rather it was to help to communicate to you the tonal qualities of the Roksan using something you had heard (the Rega) as a reference point.

Thanks, Matthew - understand. I think, based on your own earlier post, the one of the Arcams should be my aiming point.

I really like Rega stuff but can't love it, apart from their  turntables. Where Arcam, on the other hand, does have that something extra for me. Although to outgun the Naim's SQ think I need to setting the bar a little higher, such as CD37.

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Arcam are starting to discount the silver versions of the CD 17 and CD 37 because they are moving to black versions only, so you may pick one up. I will probably get the CD 17 but would love the 37!!!!

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Arcam are starting to discount the silver versions of the CD 17 and CD 37 because they are moving to black versions only, so you may pick one up. I will probably get the CD 17 but would love the 37!!!!

Paul

Under the impression that stopped the silver ones last year.

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How about getting a cheaper player and having it modified, I have come across 3 UK companies that do this sort of work such as Fidelity Audio, CPT Acoustics and JS Audio Repairs.

There was a review in a hifi mag, where a Cambridge Audio cd player was upgraded to Level 2 and it was better than a NaimCDX2.

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Hi PP

I would suggest to change your speakers first and start from there:)

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Hi PP

I would suggest to change your speakers first and start from there:)

Too true - that's the sensible road. Had the crazy notion, though, that if I could tame the metal tweeter it would make speaker matching less of an ordeal. Out of all the sources (CDPs) I've tried down the years, outside of Arcam, the Naim works the best.

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The Arcam CD37/A38 with Spendor classic speakers is a virtually unbeatable combination. It is my ultimate aim and has exactly the right tonal qualities that you seek. I suggest selling all of you kit and then purchasing the above with a small bank loan. Only then will you be able to relax and finally just listen to your music, knowing that you have achieved the most that you possibly could for your money. You will of course still be able to contribute to the What Hifi forum (aka Chebby) smugly knowing that you will no longer be tempted by the self-defeating hobby of endless 'upgraditus' that leads to eternal disastisfaction.

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The Arcam CD37/A38 with Spendor classic speakers is a virtually unbeatable combination. It is my ultimate aim and has exactly the right tonal qualities that you seek. I suggest selling all of you kit and then purchasing the above with a small bank loan. Only then will you be able to relax and finally just listen to your music, knowing that you have achieved the most that you possibly could for your money. You will of course still be able to contribute to the What Hifi forum (aka Chebby) smugly knowing that you will no longer be tempted by the self-defeating hobby of endless 'upgraditus' that leads to eternal disastisfaction.

You're barking up the wrong tree. "Endless upgraditus"? Had the Arcam A65 seven years, Arcam CD73 6.5 years, MAs 6 years

Leema staying put until it drops. Best amp I've heard below £2k.

If you've set your heart on the Arcam A38, listen to Leema Elements before parting with your dough.

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I don't think PP has upgraditus.  Overall his system has been very stable and when he purchased the Naim CD player it replaced a CD73 that had been a long-term resident of his hi-fi rack.  Even now, he is only considering another change because of the clash of aesthetics between the Naim and Leema units.

I agree that the CD37/A38 combo is incredible (thought I'd have Focals rather than Spendors), but I doubt that the A38 would be anything of an upgrade over PP's Leema.  I also note the lack of love from some people for PP's RS6 speakers, but there is clearly a good reason why they have remained at Penguin Towers for so long and I think any new speaker search would require painstaking care.  Sometimes throwing the baby out with the bath water isn't the best idea...

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The Rega Elicit R is coming very soon!

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I don't think PP has upgraditus.  Overall his system has been very stable and when he purchased the Naim CD player it replaced a CD73 that had been a long-term resident of his hi-fi rack.  Even now, he is only considering another change because of the clash of aesthetics between the Naim and Leema units.

I agree that the CD37/A38 combo is incredible (thought I'd have Focals rather than Spendors), but I doubt that the A38 would be anything of an upgrade over PP's Leema.  I also note the lack of love from some people for PP's RS6 speakers, but there is clearly a good reason why they have remained at Penguin Towers for so long and I think any new speaker search would require painstaking care.  Sometimes throwing the baby out with the bath water isn't the best idea...

Thanks, Matthew. Spot on. Smile

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... the What Hifi forum (aka Chebby) ...

Yes, it's true. Everyone here is really just me.

But I know that. So why did I have 'cse' let it slip? (The pressure of being so many people is getting to me.)

 

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