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NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

 

 

With the launch of the NAD D 3020 (named as such just to ride on the - undeserved - hysteria surrounding the original, I was wondering how many of you out there can think of hifi components that really don't deserve the mythical status they have inherited over the years.

 

To get the ball rolling:

 

NAD 3020 - it was in effect a copy of a American designed Marantz model. The 3020 succeeded because it was cheaper and more widely available.

Pioneer A-400 - Some proclaiming it to be the best amp below £1000 (it retailed at £230), and was recommended for use with very expensive sources. The only reason it worked better with higher end sources was due to it's lack of musicality and timing being masked by a feeding musically involving source to overcome the deficeit. Plus it couldn't drive larger speakers properly in the lower frequencies. 

 

Marantz CD63 KI Signature - Undeniably great laser mech, but the rest of it is just a lightly upgraded components in a budget design. An original Rega Planet wipes the floor with it. (Not that I'd recommend buying any CD player over 10 years old though, laser spares of the original spec are near non existent)

 

ANY LS3/5a BBC speaker - They are NOT neutral. The original design was intended for monitoring purposes (i.e balanced to accentuate certain frequencies to pick out deficiencies in hearing sensitive areas) when being used in the back of BBC outside broadcast vehicles (let's call them vans!). In a domestic environment they are a warm and pleasant speaker. nothing more.

 

Any Garrard turntable - Noisy rumble machines from hell. The amount of money spent on them to counteract their huge flaws is truely sick!

Technics SP10 - Like the Garrards, it was nothing special. Christ the amount of modifications people do to them (and sticking SME Series V arms on them!) and the expenditure involved to get them at that (surpassable) performance level, should be an indication they are not that great!

 

SME 3009 - susceptable to bearing chatter, budget headshell mounting arrangement, shite wiring. And they sell on ebay for how much!!!??

 

 

 

 

I could go on but I've probably enraged a whole army of loyalists, and besides my tea is going cold and those digestives won't dunk themselves. Smile

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

Good to see you starting a thread with such a neutral viewpoint which isn't at all bear-bating

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

I just wish someone would tell the reviewer that it has speaker OUTputs not inputs. If you are reviewing an amplifier and you can't get that right, why should we listen to a word you say?

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

Trefor Patten wrote:

I just wish someone would tell the reviewer that it has speaker OUTputs not inputs. If you are reviewing an amplifier and you can't get that right, why should we listen to a word you say?

Two points, if I was writing a sentence that used the word input that many times I'd have probably made the same mistake, so would a lot of people.

Secondly, it's not a review.

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

Trefor Patten wrote:
I just wish someone would tell the reviewer that it has speaker OUTputs not inputs. If you are reviewing an amplifier and you can't get that right, why should we listen to a word you say?

And who knew that Class D meant you could 'squeeze much more into its small shell, and with less power output than traditional amps'?  ROFL

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

Apart from a very few collectors, or vintage hi-fi users, who gives a ####?

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

You can add the Linn Sondek to that list. A reputation built on pure hype. You need to spend a fortune just to get it working properly.

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

Sabby wrote:

You can add the Linn Sondek to that list. A reputation built on pure hype. You need to spend a fortune just to get it working properly.

Not true.....

The classic LP12/grace/supex was a breath of fresh air in its day, nothing at anywhere near it's price could touch it, in the UK at least.

Also simple LP12/Acos setups were outstanding at a very modest cost, the basis of many outstanding inexpensive systems in their day. Most of the hype and the obscene pricing came later.

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

I've been very happy with the "lack of musicality" of my Pioneer A-400 for over 20 years!

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Marvindodgers wrote:

I've been very happy with the "lack of musicality" of my Pioneer A-400 for over 20 years!

 

  Well , you must obviously have cloth ears !

  Says he who is hurriedly covering one of his  three 3020s with a tea towel .

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

chebby wrote:

Apart from a very few collectors, or vintage hi-fi users, who gives a ####?

Succinctly put sir. And I used to run two of the offending items. Smile

They currently reside with my brother and he finds the sound quality perfectly acceptable - just like many people did in their day!

 

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

Alears wrote:

chebby wrote:

Apart from a very few collectors, or vintage hi-fi users, who gives a ####?

Succinctly put sir. And I used to run two of the offending items. Smile

They currently reside with my brother and he finds the sound quality perfectly acceptable - just like many people did in their day!

Same here. My older brother is running a system comprised mostly of equipment I gave him between 25 and 5 years ago (the original Mordaunt Short Festival 2s, a NAD 3020B and a Yamaha KX580 SE cassette deck and it all still works fine and sounds good too).

Hence my comment. People like him don't even like computers (let alone CD players) so he definitely won't give a ####.  Even if he did, he'd be on 'Vintage Hi-fi Enthusiast dot co dot uk' (if such a place existed) and be talking about why people bother wasting money when the (free) old stuff still works fine Smile

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

Yep, there's musicality and then there is fidelity!

Some people are quite happy listening to fidelity. Smile

 

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Alears wrote:

Yep, there's musicality and then there is fidelity!

Some people are quite happy listening to fidelity...

,,, and some are happy listening to Musical Fidelity.

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

chebby wrote:

Alears wrote:

Yep, there's musicality and then there is fidelity!

Some people are quite happy listening to fidelity...

,,, and some are happy listening to Musical Fidelity.

...boom,boom! :cheers:

 

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RE: NAD 3020 and other hifi hysteria.

Alears wrote:

chebby wrote:

Alears wrote:

Yep, there's musicality and then there is fidelity!

Some people are quite happy listening to fidelity...

,,, and some are happy listening to Musical Fidelity.

...boom,boom! :cheers:

That's what I thought, I put it down to the poor damping factor.

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