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Cno,

I've been looking for deals on Cardas power chords and I would be grateful if you could clarify something for me.

On one site I've seen a Cardas Golden reference PC and on another it's described just as a Golden PC... are these two different cables? or just an omission by the dealer?

Can't see anything on the Cardas website to clear this one up.

Mac

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Cno,

I've been looking for deals on Cardas power chords and I would be grateful if you could clarify something for me.

On one site I've seen a Cardas Golden reference PC and on another it's described just as a Golden PC... are these two different cables? or just an omission by the dealer?

Can't see anything on the Cardas website to clear this one up.

Mac

Yes i can help.

The Golden PC is really attached to the Golden Cross range. It was slightly cheaper than the Golden Ref P/C, and doesn't have the broad band power line filtration of the Ref. It's supposed to sound slightly more "golden" and suits high power amps: http://www.dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/125/168 and http://www.dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/125/167

It is not quite as flexible as the GR, in case this is an issue.

Audiofreaks probably have the best value, and Cardas seem to have upgraded the wall plug to an expensive Furutech one: http://www.audiofreaks.co.uk/boutique/cables/power-cords

Cardas have upgraded their website and have dropped some of their products with the introduction of their Clear range.

FWIW. If both are a similar price, I would go for the Golden Ref, if not, the Golden is still a good P/C......do you have the option of returning it if things don't work out?

If you deal with Audiofreaks, please check the "terms and conditions", as in order to return goods in the "cooling off" period, the package has to be unopened and a 15% re-stocking fee. Branco may take a more lenient attitude on ex-dem stuff, or he may not.

Let me know how you go.

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Macspur wrote:

Cno,

I've been looking for deals on Cardas power chords and I would be grateful if you could clarify something for me.

On one site I've seen a Cardas Golden reference PC and on another it's described just as a Golden PC... are these two different cables? or just an omission by the dealer?

Can't see anything on the Cardas website to clear this one up.

Mac

Yes i can help.

The Golden PC is really attached to the Golden Cross range. It was slightly cheaper than the Golden Ref P/C, and doesn't have the broad band power line filtration of the Ref. It's supposed to sound slightly more "golden" and suits high power amps: http://www.dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/125/168 and http://www.dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/125/167

It is not quite as flexible as the GR, in case this is an issue.

Audiofreaks probably have the best value, and Cardas seem to have upgraded the wall plug to an expensive Furutech one: http://www.audiofreaks.co.uk/boutique/cables/power-cords

Cardas have upgraded their website and have dropped some of their products with the introduction of their Clear range.

FWIW. If both are a similar price, I would go for the Golden Ref, if not, the Golden is still a good P/C......do you have the option of returning it if things don't work out?

If you deal with Audiofreaks, please check the "terms and conditions", as in order to return goods in the "cooling off" period, the package has to be unopened and a 15% re-stocking fee. Branco may take a more lenient attitude on ex-dem stuff, or he may not.

Let me know how you go.

Thanks for that Cno.

The Golden power is going for £250 and the Golden ref for £325. 

I have also seen some Golden Cross SC's going for £1,000 Where does the Golden Cross range come in the Cardas scale of things?

Mac

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Thanks for that Cno.

The Golden power is going for £250 and the Golden ref for £325. 

I have also seen some Golden Cross SC's going for £1,000 Where does the Golden Cross range come in the Cardas scale of things?

Mac

The Golden Cross were originally the top cable from Cardas. They then introduced the Golden Reference, which is more expensive and more neutral and revealing (though still with the Cardas sound). So for many years, it was the second best cable they produced. It was only with the introduction of the very expensive Clear, and super expensive Clear Beyond, that they dropped down the pecking order a little.

George Cardas's advice was to go for the GC in a normal domestic situation, where the room hadn't been properly treated.....it is slightly rolled off, less revealing and warmer compared to the GR......I love them, but some people find them too "honeyed" and go for the likes of Nordost, which are faster and leaner.

Cardas have now moved on with their Clear range (and dropped the GR and some of the GC).....these are very natural, but a little more neutral than the Golden range.......I haven't heard this personally, but have read a lot about it. There are now two very happy owners of Cardas Clear Light on here, and I hope to persuade Rob and Alex to add them to their demo list.

The GC would fit into the range like this (cost-wise):

Clear Beyond -> Clear -> G.Ref -> G.Cross -> Clear Light

So it is pretty highend.

EDIT. Make sure they are from a reputable source, and preferably with the cert of authenticity.....as there are fakes about.

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Mac

These looks very tempting to me but I already got the AVt MA  >)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MIT-Shotgun-MA-speaker-cables-/190782268110?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item2c6b8262ce

 

 

Thanks for the link Iceman, but unfortunately, they would be way too long for me... pity, as look a bargain.

Btw, checked out the SDS, very well made, may well give them a whirl.

Mac

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Mac, I think you should really try the 330l as apparently the 550l is a different cable and less musical than the 330. Used in combination with siltech interconnect should give you a more open sound, transparent, detailed and very very enjoyable.

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Just got yesterday a siltech octopus signature eight power strip to try and a full set of siltech power cables...

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Just got yesterday a siltech octopus signature eight power strip to try and a full set of siltech power cables...

Alex,

Are the PC's SPX800?

Mac

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Macspur wrote:

acalex wrote:

Just got yesterday a siltech octopus signature eight power strip to try and a full set of siltech power cables...

Alex,

Are the PC's SPX800?

Mac

yes

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acalex wrote:

Macspur wrote:

acalex wrote:

Just got yesterday a siltech octopus signature eight power strip to try and a full set of siltech power cables...

Alex,

Are the PC's SPX800?

Mac

yes

OK, will be interested in your thoughts, as I wasn't particularly impressed.

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FWIW, I've found power cords to have the biggest effect on digital sources (in my case USB converter and to a lesser extent, DAC and PC). IME it's important to isolate the digital kit from the amp.

So far, power cords on my amp have either made little difference or sounded worse than a standard unshielded lead.

My understanding of power is that it's not just about having a clean supply from the socket, it's also about minimizing the EMI/RFI that your digital gear injects back into the system.

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paradiziac wrote:

FWIW, I've found power cords to have the biggest effect on digital sources (in my case USB converter and to a lesser extent, DAC and PC). IME it's important to isolate the digital kit from the amp.

So far, power cords on my amp have either made little difference or sounded worse than a standard unshielded lead.

My understanding of power is that it's not just about having a clean supply from the socket, it's also about minimizing the EMI/RFI that your digital gear injects back into the system.

Indeed, that was my finding.  everything dropped with the Siltech plugged into the Sugden, SQ was flat and lifeless.

Didn't notice a big enough difference with it plugged into the Electro though, to warrent the expense.

Just waiting to hear back if I can home dem the Cardas Golden Reference PC before purchase.

Mac

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acalex wrote:

Just got yesterday a siltech octopus signature eight power strip to try and a full set of siltech power cables...

- How are you getting on with the P/C on your DS?

- Is BR on the cards for this weekend?

- Any movement on the Atlas cable front?

I was at my dealer yesterday, and mentioned the Vertere cable conundrum. He said that Touraj spent 3.5 to 4 hours setting up the systems for the musical evening....using a variety of setup discs and tones (this dealer is very experienced, but said that Touraj had skills in this area that he could not match - so it's worth picking his brain).

He also sells Atlas and TQ, and says, when Vertere is placed in a system that's correctly set up, the result is as good as anything he has heard.....very detailed and very musical (which is what I heard). He also said that it is crucial that a properly trained person should help you set the thing up, given the cost of the cables you are looking at.

Edit. Your dealer (Francis) has a Cardas GR Power cord and i/c listed on his website......it might be worth trying (he should also have access to the Clear Light): http://www.technologyfactory.eu/index.php?item=cardas&action=page&group_id=41&lang=EN

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