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Update on the spike issue:

Got a angry call from the dealer yesterday....Provably frustrated that I went over his head and send an email to the compagny who import Avalon in the benelux. To ask if it was possible to get a set of spikes for my speakers

Afther a long discotion I manage to get get my speaks he was going to order them an said I will not have t.o pay enything.

So not done yet but guess it all end well on that part Wink

 

 

 

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Roby wrote:

Update on the spike issue:

Got a angry call from the dealer yesterday....Provably frustrated that I went over his head and send an email to the compagny who import Avalon in the benelux. To ask if it was possible to get a set of spikes for my speakers

Afther a long discotion I manage to get get my speaks he was going to order them an said I will not have t.o pay enything.

So not done yet but guess it all end well on that part Wink

Some people make life so much more difficult than it needs to be....and lose customers in the process.

"We should no more let numbers define audio quality than we should let chemical analysis be the arbiter of fine wines."  Nelson Pass

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Roby wrote:

Update on the spike issue:

Got a angry call from the dealer yesterday....Provably frustrated that I went over his head and send an email to the compagny who import Avalon in the benelux. To ask if it was possible to get a set of spikes for my speakers

Afther a long discotion I manage to get get my speaks he was going to order them an said I will not have t.o pay enything.

So not done yet but guess it all end well on that part Wink

Some people make life so much more difficult than it needs to be....and lose customers in the process.

Yes exaclty...I think he never really earned the customer. Rob just bought because at that price you can't go wrong buying from a shop. He still had the courage to ask if they can restart from scratch now...  ROFL

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Hi all I'm living with the Avalon's for almost 2 weeks now. An love them more an more.

I maen most of my music is just a rediscover. Like I said before the detail is exceptional but not analitical or agressive. Compared to my 683 (if I can compare) The have a lot more punche. An the drumkicks are impresive.

Now I have to say I stil have this horn effect I dislike on some parts. But also noticed my floor was actualy trilling a lot in those momments.

Now I have some gear to test during the holidays like siltech  220i s/c (witch I guess will dry thos part's a bit up compared to the A HA I'm testing now, but this is only a guess for now).

An the rca 330i from Siltech now I don't know where this will have the most effect or sence to use to the phono stage, CDP, SB anyway I provably end up trying it all.

 

I will also try a power cable from kemp Alex say that in his set up it had the most effect connected to his phonostage, wich I can easaly beleave in his case. But in my set my guess an ligic tell me this would be on the ams  as it is the most power hungry in my set an that my phonostage ussing less power than Alex's EAR.

Beside still no news from the dealer for the spikes Sad

An I allready digitilysed 180 Albums still arround 380 to go.... It's a hell of a work If I'm not mistaking those 180 took me arround 1Month.....

 

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Roby wrote:

Hi all I'm living with the Avalon's for almost 2 weeks now. An love them more an more.

I maen most of my music is just a rediscover. Like I said before the detail is exceptional but not analitical or agressive. Compared to my 683 (if I can compare) The have a lot more punche. An the drumkicks are impresive.

Now I have to say I stil have this horn effect I dislike on some parts. But also noticed my floor was actualy trilling a lot in those momments.

Now I have some gear to test during the holidays like siltech  220i s/c (witch I guess will dry thos part's a bit up compared to the A HA I'm testing now, but this is only a guess for now).

An the rca 330i from Siltech now I don't know where this will have the most effect or sence to use to the phono stage, CDP, SB anyway I provably end up trying it all.

 

I will also try a power cable from kemp Alex say that in his set up it had the most effect connected to his phonostage, wich I can easaly beleave in his case. But in my set my guess an ligic tell me this would be on the ams  as it is the most power hungry in my set an that my phonostage ussing less power than Alex's EAR.

Beside still no news from the dealer for the spikes Sad

An I allready digitilysed 180 Albums still arround 380 to go.... It's a hell of a work If I'm not mistaking those 180 took me arround 1Month.....

 

So I will wait until you finished before borrowing your disk  ROFL  :twisted:

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acalex wrote:

Roby wrote:

Hi all I'm living with the Avalon's for almost 2 weeks now. An love them more an more.

I maen most of my music is just a rediscover. Like I said before the detail is exceptional but not analitical or agressive. Compared to my 683 (if I can compare) The have a lot more punche. An the drumkicks are impresive.

Now I have to say I stil have this horn effect I dislike on some parts. But also noticed my floor was actualy trilling a lot in those momments.

Now I have some gear to test during the holidays like siltech  220i s/c (witch I guess will dry thos part's a bit up compared to the A HA I'm testing now, but this is only a guess for now).

An the rca 330i from Siltech now I don't know where this will have the most effect or sence to use to the phono stage, CDP, SB anyway I provably end up trying it all.

 

I will also try a power cable from kemp Alex say that in his set up it had the most effect connected to his phonostage, wich I can easaly beleave in his case. But in my set my guess an ligic tell me this would be on the ams  as it is the most power hungry in my set an that my phonostage ussing less power than Alex's EAR.

Beside still no news from the dealer for the spikes Sad

An I allready digitilysed 180 Albums still arround 380 to go.... It's a hell of a work If I'm not mistaking those 180 took me arround 1Month.....

 

So I will wait until you finished before borrowing your disk  ROFL  :twisted:

 

Witch disk do you mean??? Harmoniser or my HD with my M files?

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Roby wrote:

acalex wrote:

Roby wrote:

Hi all I'm living with the Avalon's for almost 2 weeks now. An love them more an more.

I maen most of my music is just a rediscover. Like I said before the detail is exceptional but not analitical or agressive. Compared to my 683 (if I can compare) The have a lot more punche. An the drumkicks are impresive.

Now I have to say I stil have this horn effect I dislike on some parts. But also noticed my floor was actualy trilling a lot in those momments.

Now I have some gear to test during the holidays like siltech  220i s/c (witch I guess will dry thos part's a bit up compared to the A HA I'm testing now, but this is only a guess for now).

An the rca 330i from Siltech now I don't know where this will have the most effect or sence to use to the phono stage, CDP, SB anyway I provably end up trying it all.

 

I will also try a power cable from kemp Alex say that in his set up it had the most effect connected to his phonostage, wich I can easaly beleave in his case. But in my set my guess an ligic tell me this would be on the ams  as it is the most power hungry in my set an that my phonostage ussing less power than Alex's EAR.

Beside still no news from the dealer for the spikes Sad

An I allready digitilysed 180 Albums still arround 380 to go.... It's a hell of a work If I'm not mistaking those 180 took me arround 1Month.....

 

So I will wait until you finished before borrowing your disk  ROFL  :twisted:

 

Witch disk do you mean??? Harmoniser or my HD with my M files?

you can always tell me what you want an I can do those first Wink

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Roby wrote:

Hi all I'm living with the Avalon's for almost 2 weeks now. An love them more an more.

I maen most of my music is just a rediscover. Like I said before the detail is exceptional but not analitical or agressive. Compared to my 683 (if I can compare) The have a lot more punche. An the drumkicks are impresive.

This is all good...the AMS showing what it can really do. Things will jump again (CD) with a great digital source....any news on the EAR CDP.

I am also looking forward to the effect different cables will have....and how it compares with what Alex found. Maybe some Vertere will eventually appear....

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CnoEvil wrote:

Roby wrote:

Hi all I'm living with the Avalon's for almost 2 weeks now. An love them more an more.

I maen most of my music is just a rediscover. Like I said before the detail is exceptional but not analitical or agressive. Compared to my 683 (if I can compare) The have a lot more punche. An the drumkicks are impresive.

This is all good...the AMS showing what it can really do. Things will jump again (CD) with a great digital source....any news on the EAR CDP.

I am also looking forward to the effect different cables will have....and how it compares with what Alex found. Maybe some Vertere will eventually appear....

Well when I asked for it last week it was still in demo at an other client, but, soon it is back I can take it home to test it.

I'm looking forward to it for 2 reasons

It a great cdp in a range I rarly had the chance to demo one.

It's cheaper as example the AMScd (that I didn't had the chance to hear yet).

An even now I started to digitalise my cd's an I like playing with the SB I still prefer the sound of my cdp it has some more body IMO.

An what ever hapen (cdp, akurate or psa)  I don't think I ever take peace with buying digital files. I like to have the cd in my hand...call me old school

Just buying an have nothing in my hand kind of frustrate me :twisted:

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 I like to have the cd in my hand...call me old school

Just buying an have nothing in my hand kind of frustrate me :twisted:

 

Same as me then, except I just don't use the physical disc to play music with.  Dirol

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Roby wrote:

 I like to have the cd in my hand...call me old school

Just buying an have nothing in my hand kind of frustrate me :twisted:

 

Same as me then, except I just don't use the physical disc to play music with.  Dirol

Rob you will change your mind when you will realise how easy is the process and what great sound quality you can get. Tomorrow I will pick up the new baby and I will try to setup straight away. 

When I want the all music experience I play vinyl...simple like that. Most of the times we do not have time to do that as we are maybe doing something else which require us to be able to put a playlist for longer time...and here the digital comes very very handy. When you will realise how much body an Akurate has I am sure you will change your mind Wink

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When I want the all music experience I play vinyl...simple like that. Most of the times we do not have time to do that as we are maybe doing something else which require us to be able to put a playlist for longer time...and here the digital comes very very handy. When you will realise how much body an Akurate has I am sure you will change your mind Wink

I'm looking forward to EAR Acute CDP vs Linn ADS/1

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Hello

The speakers still are superb.....I'm constanly sistening to music now (an thay are still positioned directky on a granite stone as I don't recieved the spikes yet) An I actualy excpect once I put theme on the spikes that horb effect I have on the low sometimes on some times will be completly gone.

I mean Compared to the beginning par ex. with the BW's it's gone. Also I supose this was getting better as everything is starting to getting runned in.

 

You remember that I told that electrinic music sometime sound wiered on HI end system's wel to my big surprise it all sound fantastic.

I mean I have a few dance cd's that I recieved a a gift that I don't particlary like but even that sound good an I keep listening.

This week I recieved the Syltech 220L S/c but when I connected them one of them was not working Sad

So I put them back in the box as I asked the dealer to put some spades on them the Ascendent's only accept spedes on the back so I'm using somthing the dealer from the speakers gave me.

I can best discribe it like spade sleeve's you put on tke bannana's. not the solution to get the best out of my set IMO but hey good side is that it is already great.

So got the 220L back An I will hook them up this evening I guess.

I also tested the 330I from the phono stage to the amp an to my surprise an I admid desapointment there was no much difference...It was a little better but cocidering it was replacing a Real cable of 30€ pfff.... Wiered thing is that tested on the cdp replacing a 90€ it made way more difference an it was more open. :?

Now I think I have to do the test an other time caus I didn't really give it the time an I was provably also a bit frustrated I couldn't test the S/C.

An Also Because Alex Said It made such a big difference in his set so I'm wondering.... :?

I also test the Kemp PLUS P/C Alex told me it made more difference connected to his phonostage than to his Jadis. But I dicided to connect it to the AMS as it's demanding way more power than the P/S. An wow in my case that actualy made a difference I had immidiatly a bigger sounstage with tighter bass an even more dynamic than I already had :shifty:

Now I have to admid afther choosing for the AMS

I was 110% shure about my choice when I bought the TT & speakers

But the cables is actualy a real strugle for me... (An I will provably come back here asking for your advice my friends).

Now I still have time as for the S/C I want to test I will take my time an Francis is prepared to let me try it all. He told me I should take my time as in my system I can justify spending 10 at 20% of the retail price of my system (that actualy scared me a bit as that is quit a bit of money)

I don't actualy know at this point witch direction I will go but I think it's wise that I first dicide about the S/C an based on that buy the I/C & P/C

an provably thz pwr conditioner but here I was actualy quite seduced by the PSA P5 but that's provably.

 

An than I have the source....there you got me....I started to rip cd's last month an did arround 250 now....what a work....But I started actualy to enjoy playing true my albums on the Ipad :oops:

Now don't get me wrong I still prefer the sound of my cdp so I still want a decent CDP an hope to test the Acute III soon. But in the end I will provably also concider the Akurate or PSA perfect wave. until then the SBT will do the trick.

as when I have time I prefer the Vinyl.

 

So for now correct me if I'm wrong I think actualy I would benefit more from upgrading my digital source.

 

But I'm going to look for S/C first, I actualy have to as I don't have decent cable to connect my AA, on the 683's I was using Jensen costing 6€/M one I think it would be a shame using that for the AA an secound I need them to connect the 683 in my HT.

Biside it will be slightly cheaper for now I guess beacuase I also bought a new Rack to get my gear in place I hope to recieve it next week.

Also no news yet about my spikes I will give theme a call next week because I also have to pick up the box of the Avalon's.

 

So that was it for now....

 

 

 

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Rob, it's good to get your update.

With regard to all this cabling lark, here is what I have found (sorry if I'm repeating myself).

- Never assume that it will make a difference....just try it and see on different components and see what happens.

- Using an expensive cable does not always justify its cost.

- The improvement you may get is situation and component dependent.

- Be careful that it is not a change in sound, rather than an improvement in sound.

- I found the 35i responded well to a good mains cables, so it will be worth comparing the Siltech and Shunyata on it.

- Sometimes the improvement is more apparent with the removal of the expensive cables

- It is possible to get an incremental improvement with a more cohesive sound when the cables are from the same company

- The best I/C should be on the Source

- Spend a lot of time finding the "sweetspot" of cost versus performance.....I think it will be worth seeing where the Clearer Audio M/Cs fit in, especially where components don't improve as you would expect with an expensive one.

- Be careful with conditioners / re-generators.....these should make quite a difference, but make sure that you like what they do. I found an Isol8 regenerator made the sound too clean and analytical. There is also the problem of the 35i drawing large amounts of current, which is often more than these devises can cope with (unless expensive and powerful).

- Do nothing until you get to hear Vertere.

I fully agree with your dealer when he says to take your time. The more you experiment, the clearer your path will become...you need to maximize the performance, by matching the right level of cabling to the right component in order not to waste money on an expensive cable to little effect.

I found the opposide of Alex, where I got more improvement from putting the more expensive cable on the power hungry stuff.....but my dealer does the opposite.

Tread carefully and post your findings

Cno

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Rob, it's good to get your update.

With regard to all this cabling lark, here is what I have found (sorry if I'm repeating myself).

- Never assume that it will make a difference....just try it and see on different components and see what happens.

- Using an expensive cable does not always justify its cost.

- The improvement you may get is situation and component dependent.

- Be careful that it is not a change in sound, rather than an improvement in sound.

- I found the 35i responded well to a good mains cables, so it will be worth comparing the Siltech and Shunyata on it.

- Sometimes the improvement is more apparent with the removal of the expensive cables

- It is possible to get an incremental improvement with a more cohesive sound when the cables are from the same company

- The best I/C should be on the Source

- Spend a lot of time finding the "sweetspot" of cost versus performance.....I think it will be worth seeing where the Clearer Audio M/Cs fit in, especially where components don't improve as you would expect with an expensive one.

- Be careful with conditioners / re-generators.....these should make quite a difference, but make sure that you like what they do. I found an Isol8 regenerator made the sound too clean and analytical. There is also the problem of the 35i drawing large amounts of current, which is often more than these devises can cope with (unless expensive and powerful).

- Do nothing until you get to hear Vertere.

I fully agree with your dealer when he says to take your time. The more you experiment, the clearer your path will become...you need to maximize the performance, by matching the right level of cabling to the right component in order not to waste money on an expensive cable to little effect.

I found the opposide of Alex, where I got more improvement from putting the more expensive cable on the power hungry stuff.....but my dealer does the opposite.

Tread carefully and post your findings

Cno

 

Thanks for your opinion on this like I said I'm really strugling on this one.....

So I didn't test the P/C on my phonostage but putting it on the AMS I head a oretty good result. My logic talls me this qhould be the case to as the AMS is the Item demanding the most power.

 

But this can be a totaly wrong assesment....anyway to be shure I will test the P/C on the phonostage tomorow.

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