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NAD M3

Primare Pre32/A34.2

Any thoughts for a non-mellow, tight, sharp and fast sounding, detailed amp, with deep and wide soundstage?

Primare would get my top vote, and the Nad might prove interesting as well.

I had some involvement with Primare product about 10-15 years ago and one thing that stands out is that they make serious, well specced and well built product. If they do what you want them to do I am sure they will work well, I know you are talking about the Pre-power, but the big integrated looks great value, in the UK at least.

Modern Primare amps are class D, so tight and fast is what they are all about, very transparent and neutral they will drive pretty much anything and allow you to choose the speaker that best delivers what you are looking for.

 

Thank you. I already have Heco the New Statement, that's why I'm looking for an amp only, not a combination of amp-speakers.

I far as I know, 10-15 years ago many brands used to produce better equipment than they do today, so it might be the case that great amps in this price range don't match those produced today. 

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The room is almost 50m2, and the speakers are positioned almost in the centre of the room, thus very far from the walls.

Yes, according to specs, they handle 500Watts RMS Max.

Given the size of the room and essentially no restrictions in terms of volume at which I can listen to them (my closest neighbours are some 200 meters away from my house), I like to push the volume quite loud. With my current amp rated at 85 Watt, the sound starts distorting or 'choking' at volumes around 10 o'clock. That's why I'm avoiding Naims, given their low power rate.

As for the sound, tight and controlled bass is one of the things I want, yet with a considerable punch as well. So, definitely not the 'slow' bass as you put it, or a boomy bass. Also, I want large scale soundstage in both width and depth. And detail, especially in the highs, of course.

I guess ultimately what I want is not to have the impression I'm listening to recordings, "whose sound is coming from two speakers".

 

 

thats a big room to fill with enough power...you defnitely would benefit with a higher power integrated or a pre power combo.. In this case, yes... There are better amps than the M6i. 

El Hefe, do you mean 200Watt per channel are not enough in my situation?  :O

With Rotels (total 320Watt/channel), the results were terrible, but it was not due to lack of power, rather RA's pre-amp section.

 

Hi baltun ,

 

I am considering to buy the Rotels pre-amp , what was the probelm with them ?

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Apart from brands, I guess it would be good to list specific amps I am interested in:

 

NAD M3

Primare Pre32/A34.2

 

Other (seemingly problematic or inadequate) options include: 

Musical Fidelity M6i (warm sound character; slow bass)

Yamaha A-S2000 (output power rating; 'lower class'?)

TEAC AI-3000 (no users' information; dealer says "it's hard to get it.."; other magazine review says it's not for headbangers)

Naim Supernait 2 (output power rating)

Exposure 3010 (lack of sharpness, bite; output power rating; reliability)

Unison Research UNICO 50 (warm sound character; service)

Krell S-300 (some say sound is too anemic; service)

 

Any thoughts for a non-mellow, tight, sharp and fast sounding, detailed amp, with deep and wide soundstage?

 

 

 

What about this T1000 amp from MC2 Audio,  a real powerhouse with a very good reputation that will do rock and metal standing on it's head .

 

http://www.mc2-audio.co.uk/t1000.html

 

And a list of distributors .

http://www.mc2-audio.co.uk/distributors.html

 

It is a lot of amplifier for £ 750 . Smile

 

Or maybe something from Emotiva .

 

http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers

 

Real powerhouses for sensible money and available mail order .

 

 Electrocompaniet EMC 1 UP , Monarchy Audio DIP, Electrocompaniet ECD 1 dac , EC4.8 preamp , 2x AW180 monoblock power amps , PMC PB1i speakers . Thousands of Cd's .

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ISAC69 wrote:

baltun wrote:

El Hefe wrote:

baltun wrote:

The room is almost 50m2, and the speakers are positioned almost in the centre of the room, thus very far from the walls.

Yes, according to specs, they handle 500Watts RMS Max.

Given the size of the room and essentially no restrictions in terms of volume at which I can listen to them (my closest neighbours are some 200 meters away from my house), I like to push the volume quite loud. With my current amp rated at 85 Watt, the sound starts distorting or 'choking' at volumes around 10 o'clock. That's why I'm avoiding Naims, given their low power rate.

As for the sound, tight and controlled bass is one of the things I want, yet with a considerable punch as well. So, definitely not the 'slow' bass as you put it, or a boomy bass. Also, I want large scale soundstage in both width and depth. And detail, especially in the highs, of course.

I guess ultimately what I want is not to have the impression I'm listening to recordings, "whose sound is coming from two speakers".

 

 

thats a big room to fill with enough power...you defnitely would benefit with a higher power integrated or a pre power combo.. In this case, yes... There are better amps than the M6i. 

El Hefe, do you mean 200Watt per channel are not enough in my situation?  :O

With Rotels (total 320Watt/channel), the results were terrible, but it was not due to lack of power, rather RA's pre-amp section.

 

Hi baltun ,

 

I am considering to buy the Rotels pre-amp , what was the probelm with them ?

 

Hi ISAC69,

Sorry, I should have replied to you earlier. Will do so soon, I promise (going a bit nuts with my PhD deadlines right now).

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baltun wrote:

ISAC69 wrote:

baltun wrote:

El Hefe wrote:

baltun wrote:

The room is almost 50m2, and the speakers are positioned almost in the centre of the room, thus very far from the walls.

Yes, according to specs, they handle 500Watts RMS Max.

Given the size of the room and essentially no restrictions in terms of volume at which I can listen to them (my closest neighbours are some 200 meters away from my house), I like to push the volume quite loud. With my current amp rated at 85 Watt, the sound starts distorting or 'choking' at volumes around 10 o'clock. That's why I'm avoiding Naims, given their low power rate.

As for the sound, tight and controlled bass is one of the things I want, yet with a considerable punch as well. So, definitely not the 'slow' bass as you put it, or a boomy bass. Also, I want large scale soundstage in both width and depth. And detail, especially in the highs, of course.

I guess ultimately what I want is not to have the impression I'm listening to recordings, "whose sound is coming from two speakers".

 

 

thats a big room to fill with enough power...you defnitely would benefit with a higher power integrated or a pre power combo.. In this case, yes... There are better amps than the M6i. 

El Hefe, do you mean 200Watt per channel are not enough in my situation?  :O

With Rotels (total 320Watt/channel), the results were terrible, but it was not due to lack of power, rather RA's pre-amp section.

 

Hi baltun ,

 

I am considering to buy the Rotels pre-amp , what was the probelm with them ?

 

Hi ISAC69,

Sorry, I should have replied to you earlier. Will do so soon, I promise (going a bit nuts with my PhD deadlines right now).

 

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OK, I was actually thinking about writing a full review of Rotel RA-1570 & RB-1582, but will have to do so later, in a new topic.

Just to pinpoint some problems with these Rotels (especially the RA), here you go.

I started my critical assessment of the amp's performance after almost 100 hours of constant playing. I used a great variety of good recordings, different genres and different styles withing each genre.

Firstly, Rotel is simply unmusical. It is a 'dead-sounding' machine. Bass is big in quantity, but not in quality, being overwhelming and excessive to the point of intruding in areas where it should'n even be (Dianna Krall's voice, for example).

Rotel 'kills' the richness and depth in the highs. The sustain of tiny bells I've always heard simply disappeared. There is no nuance, delicacy. Microdynamics? – forget about them.

There is NO depth to the soundstage. No, it's not a limited depth... it's a literally an inexistent one! Yet while I had the expectation of a forward sound character, which might have compensated for this, there was no forwardness either. One simply listens to «recordings whose sound is emanating from two speakers», ie not enjoying a music performance as such, especially when playing fast-paced and complex compositions with numerous instruments. Rotel just can't deal with them. No separation of instruments, no dynamics, no life. It just blends everything into one big lifeless mess, like a heavily amplified cheap pocket radio.

The only thing it wasn't that bad at was in playing ambience or backround music, perhaps because it wasn't very demanding (and because, obviously, I wasn't listening to it sitting in front of the system).

At considerable levels, there was this hiss appearing on the highs, and despite the 320Watts total, the sound was losing clarity and definition. One doesn't want to push the volume up, rather wants to turn it down.

 

That's just a brief description, but if someone is interested in my full review, I could write it later on. Apart from sound, there were other issues as well.

 

 

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baltun wrote:

baltun wrote:

ISAC69 wrote:

baltun wrote:

El Hefe wrote:

baltun wrote:

The room is almost 50m2, and the speakers are positioned almost in the centre of the room, thus very far from the walls.

Yes, according to specs, they handle 500Watts RMS Max.

Given the size of the room and essentially no restrictions in terms of volume at which I can listen to them (my closest neighbours are some 200 meters away from my house), I like to push the volume quite loud. With my current amp rated at 85 Watt, the sound starts distorting or 'choking' at volumes around 10 o'clock. That's why I'm avoiding Naims, given their low power rate.

As for the sound, tight and controlled bass is one of the things I want, yet with a considerable punch as well. So, definitely not the 'slow' bass as you put it, or a boomy bass. Also, I want large scale soundstage in both width and depth. And detail, especially in the highs, of course.

I guess ultimately what I want is not to have the impression I'm listening to recordings, "whose sound is coming from two speakers".

 

 

thats a big room to fill with enough power...you defnitely would benefit with a higher power integrated or a pre power combo.. In this case, yes... There are better amps than the M6i. 

El Hefe, do you mean 200Watt per channel are not enough in my situation?  :O

With Rotels (total 320Watt/channel), the results were terrible, but it was not due to lack of power, rather RA's pre-amp section.

 

Hi baltun ,

 

I am considering to buy the Rotels pre-amp , what was the probelm with them ?

 

Hi ISAC69,

Sorry, I should have replied to you earlier. Will do so soon, I promise (going a bit nuts with my PhD deadlines right now).

 

OK, I was actually thinking about writing a full review of Rotel RA-1570 & RB-1582, but will have to do so later, in a new topic.

Just to pinpoint some problems with these Rotels (especially the RA), here you go.

I started my critical assessment of the amp's performance after almost 100 hours of constant playing. I used a great variety of good recordings, different genres and different styles withing each genre.

Firstly, Rotel is simply unmusical. It is a 'dead-sounding' machine. Bass is big in quantity, but not in quality, being overwhelming and excessive to the point of intruding in areas where it should'n even be (Dianna Krall's voice, for example).

Rotel 'kills' the richness and depth in the highs. The sustain of tiny bells I've always heard simply disappeared. There is no nuance, delicacy. Microdynamics? – forget about them.

There is NO depth to the soundstage. No, it's not a limited depth... it's a literally an inexistent one! Yet while I had the expectation of a forward sound character, which might have compensated for this, there was no forwardness either. One simply listens to «recordings whose sound is emanating from two speakers», ie not enjoying a music performance as such, especially when playing fast-paced and complex compositions with numerous instruments. Rotel just can't deal with them. No separation of instruments, no dynamics, no life. It just blends everything into one big lifeless mess, like a heavily amplified cheap pocket radio.

The only thing it wasn't that bad at was in playing ambience or backround music, perhaps because it wasn't very demanding (and because, obviously, I wasn't listening to it sitting in front of the system).

At considerable levels, there was this hiss appearing on the highs, and despite the 320Watts total, the sound was losing clarity and definition. One doesn't want to push the volume up, rather wants to turn it down.

 

That's just a brief description, but if someone is interested in my full review, I could write it later on. Apart from sound, there were other issues as well.

 

 

 

 

Very strange I heard the ROTEL 1580 (PRE)+1582(POWER) in a freind house with the B&W 805D  . the sound was spectacular : huge soundtage ,

punchy bass and very detailed . the main character is a " studio" sound - natural and very neutral and that's what I am looking for , I don't want an

amp that's making any artificial coloration affect or a worm sound .

 

What is your speakers ?  

Hi Fi : Proac Studio 140MK2 / Rotel RC 1580 / Rotel RB 1582 / Rotel RCD 1520 / B&W P7 / Tellurium Q & WireWorld cables   

 

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ISAC69 wrote:

baltun wrote:

baltun wrote:

ISAC69 wrote:

baltun wrote:

El Hefe wrote:

baltun wrote:

The room is almost 50m2, and the speakers are positioned almost in the centre of the room, thus very far from the walls.

Yes, according to specs, they handle 500Watts RMS Max.

Given the size of the room and essentially no restrictions in terms of volume at which I can listen to them (my closest neighbours are some 200 meters away from my house), I like to push the volume quite loud. With my current amp rated at 85 Watt, the sound starts distorting or 'choking' at volumes around 10 o'clock. That's why I'm avoiding Naims, given their low power rate.

As for the sound, tight and controlled bass is one of the things I want, yet with a considerable punch as well. So, definitely not the 'slow' bass as you put it, or a boomy bass. Also, I want large scale soundstage in both width and depth. And detail, especially in the highs, of course.

I guess ultimately what I want is not to have the impression I'm listening to recordings, "whose sound is coming from two speakers".

 

 

thats a big room to fill with enough power...you defnitely would benefit with a higher power integrated or a pre power combo.. In this case, yes... There are better amps than the M6i. 

El Hefe, do you mean 200Watt per channel are not enough in my situation?  :O

With Rotels (total 320Watt/channel), the results were terrible, but it was not due to lack of power, rather RA's pre-amp section.

 

Hi baltun ,

 

I am considering to buy the Rotels pre-amp , what was the probelm with them ?

 

Hi ISAC69,

Sorry, I should have replied to you earlier. Will do so soon, I promise (going a bit nuts with my PhD deadlines right now).

 

OK, I was actually thinking about writing a full review of Rotel RA-1570 & RB-1582, but will have to do so later, in a new topic.

Just to pinpoint some problems with these Rotels (especially the RA), here you go.

I started my critical assessment of the amp's performance after almost 100 hours of constant playing. I used a great variety of good recordings, different genres and different styles withing each genre.

Firstly, Rotel is simply unmusical. It is a 'dead-sounding' machine. Bass is big in quantity, but not in quality, being overwhelming and excessive to the point of intruding in areas where it should'n even be (Dianna Krall's voice, for example).

Rotel 'kills' the richness and depth in the highs. The sustain of tiny bells I've always heard simply disappeared. There is no nuance, delicacy. Microdynamics? – forget about them.

There is NO depth to the soundstage. No, it's not a limited depth... it's a literally an inexistent one! Yet while I had the expectation of a forward sound character, which might have compensated for this, there was no forwardness either. One simply listens to «recordings whose sound is emanating from two speakers», ie not enjoying a music performance as such, especially when playing fast-paced and complex compositions with numerous instruments. Rotel just can't deal with them. No separation of instruments, no dynamics, no life. It just blends everything into one big lifeless mess, like a heavily amplified cheap pocket radio.

The only thing it wasn't that bad at was in playing ambience or backround music, perhaps because it wasn't very demanding (and because, obviously, I wasn't listening to it sitting in front of the system).

At considerable levels, there was this hiss appearing on the highs, and despite the 320Watts total, the sound was losing clarity and definition. One doesn't want to push the volume up, rather wants to turn it down.

 

That's just a brief description, but if someone is interested in my full review, I could write it later on. Apart from sound, there were other issues as well.

 

 

 

 

Very strange I heard the ROTEL 1580 (PRE)+1582(POWER) in a freind house with the B&W 805D  . the sound was spectacular : huge soundtage ,

punchy bass and very detailed . the main character is a " studio" sound - natural and very neutral and that's what I am looking for , I don't want an

amp that's making any artificial coloration affect or a worm sound .

 

What is your speakers ?  

Heco the New Statement

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Hi Baltun ,

Heco the New Statement are rated 300/500 W ,  I don't think the Rotels had enuogh power to move them  :cry:

I think you need powerful monoblocks or class A amp for this speakers .

 

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hallo there, just wondering will m6i makes a big improvement with my focal 726, i already had m3i and pairing it with m3cd, i think i want to upgrade to m6i and still using m3cd with m6i , anyone?

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I've had the MF m6 with the Focal 1038be for more than a year and it worked excellent and sounded very attractive.

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want upgrd to m6i but will it just waste cause im only using focal 726? 

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Why do you want upgrade to the MF M6i? What are you missing with the M3I?

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maybe it will sound much better, thats why i need demo, 76 wpc for 3 way speaker seems not enough, but just imo as beginer, as el hefe wrote a reviews here and i can change it at the shop with no cut for the m6i

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To peterpan

One reason could be the M6i price: Fanthorpes Hi-Fi are giving them away for £1.500 minus your trade in crank. 

Now, you tell me why not to get one!

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after using m3i after a month, i am going for m6i demo and its amazed me, like el hefe wrote, you can t

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