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Robert Johnson

Decent shout

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Guns N' Roses?

You are joking, right?  :O

This is the other problem with threads like this, they stop being about "influential" recordings and become a simple list of people's *favourite* albums, which isn't the same thing at all.

Mind you, it took a lot longer than I thought it would.

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This is the other problem with threads like this, they stop being about "influential" recordings and become a simple list of people's *favourite* albums, which isn't the same thing at all.

Mind you, it took a lot longer than I thought it would.

It would have been more interesting IMO if this could have been confined to "most influential" in the sense of influential on subsequent musicians, producers, musical tastes, and even society at large (if you can argue the case). But the OP does say "most influential / best", and "best" opens the door to lists of favourite albums.

I'm also surprised by the number of people who've construed "most influential" as meaning "had most influence on me", which is a very odd and rather self-regarding way of reading the words. "Most influential" surely means influential on other musicians, producers etc etc.

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I'm also surprised by the number of people who've construed "most influential" as meaning "had most influence on me", which is a very odd and rather self-regarding way of reading the words. "Most influential" surely means influential on other musicians, producers etc etc.

Yes, that thought crossed my mind, unless you're actually a musician yourself (and one that actively creates your own music) I'm not sure how any album could be personally influential, although to be fair I have taken Pop Will Eat Itself's message of never rub Another Man's Rhubarb somewhat to heart...

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matt49 wrote:

The_Lhc wrote:

This is the other problem with threads like this, they stop being about "influential" recordings and become a simple list of people's *favourite* albums, which isn't the same thing at all.

Mind you, it took a lot longer than I thought it would.

It would have been more interesting IMO if this could have been confined to "most influential" in the sense of influential on subsequent musicians, producers, musical tastes, and even society at large (if you can argue the case). But the OP does say "most influential / best", and "best" opens the door to lists of favourite albums.

I'm also surprised by the number of people who've construed "most influential" as meaning "had most influence on me", which is a very odd and rather self-regarding way of reading the words. "Most influential" surely means influential on other musicians, producers etc etc.

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Why does it ?

If it was meant to mean musicians and producers, why did it not say so.................

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Nobody mentioned Robert Johnson, YES, Guns N' Roses?  Smile

 

Robert Johnson, Yes.

Yes, NO.

Guns N' Roses, joking.

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matt49 wrote:
I'm also surprised by the number of people who've construed "most influential" as meaning "had most influence on me", which is a very odd and rather self-regarding way of reading the words. "Most influential" surely means influential on other musicians, producers etc etc.

Yes, that thought crossed my mind, unless you're actually a musician yourself (and one that actively creates your own music) I'm not sure how any album could be personally influential, although to be fair I have taken Pop Will Eat Itself's message of never rub Another Man's Rhubarb somewhat to heart...

I, in retrospect assumed that was inherent to the question, but then the above was applicable to myself at the time.

 

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matt49 wrote:

I'm also surprised by the number of people who've construed "most influential" as meaning "had most influence on me", which is a very odd and rather self-regarding way of reading the words. "Most influential" surely means influential on other musicians, producers etc etc.

Why does it ?

If it was meant to mean musicians and producers, why did it not say so.................

Well in what way can music be influential on those who have no connection to making music. Take me as an example, I work in IT and my favourite pastime is playing golf, how on earth is The Blues Brothers Briefcase Full of Blues (one of my favourite albums) actually going to be influential on my life? It's an illogical question for people like myself surely?

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matt49 wrote:

The_Lhc wrote:

This is the other problem with threads like this, they stop being about "influential" recordings and become a simple list of people's *favourite* albums, which isn't the same thing at all.

Mind you, it took a lot longer than I thought it would.

It would have been more interesting IMO if this could have been confined to "most influential" in the sense of influential on subsequent musicians, producers, musical tastes, and even society at large (if you can argue the case). But the OP does say "most influential / best", and "best" opens the door to lists of favourite albums.

I'm also surprised by the number of people who've construed "most influential" as meaning "had most influence on me", which is a very odd and rather self-regarding way of reading the words. "Most influential" surely means influential on other musicians, producers etc etc.

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Why does it ?

If it was meant to mean musicians and producers, why did it not say so.................

Two things.

1. you're misquoting me. I didn't say "musicians and producers", I said "musicians, producers, musical tastes, and even society at large", and then I gave a shorthand version of the same: "musicians, producers etc etc". What I was saying is that "influential" is most naturally construed as meaning generally influential (as far as music can be influential, that is).

2. normal English usage supports my view. If you were to say "Shakespeare has been an influential writer" you wouldn't mean "influential on me", you'd mean influential on other writers and culture and society at large. If you wanted to mean "influential on me", you'd say it differently, something like "Shakespeare has had a profound influence on me". This is just normal usage of the word "influential".

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Nobody mentioned Robert Johnson, YES, Guns N' Roses?  Smile

Ah, eventually someone who appears on my very short list so far.

Robert Johnson.

Influessed many artists across multiple genres in his very short career and voted 1st in '35 Guitar Gods' by Spin Magazine, a mere 52 years after his death.

I believe he is the man to beat so far.

 

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Well in what way can music be influential on those who have no connection to making music.

 

Lots of ways. For example you might listen to songs such as "A Motorbike in Africa", Biko or "Free Nelson Mandela" and decide to join the anti apartheid movement or listening to "Glad to be Gay" could change your feeling about Gay rights. Perhaps "Big Yellow Taxi" could turn you on to ecology or "It says here" make you stop reading the gutter press.

Moving way from that meaning of influential, perhaps a piece of music turned you onto a different style of music you had not previously considered like "Seconds Out" turned me on to prog or Chick Corea influenced me to explore Jazz.

 

 

 

 

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Agreed, let's move on from the Pink Floyd love-fest. I just wouldn't put them in the same category of influence as Bod Dylan or Elvis. Surprised Bowie's not been mentioned yet, although I'd vote for Dylan - still making and influencing music today (just can't decide on an album)

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matt49 wrote:

The_Lhc wrote:

This is the other problem with threads like this, they stop being about "influential" recordings and become a simple list of people's *favourite* albums, which isn't the same thing at all.

Mind you, it took a lot longer than I thought it would.

It would have been more interesting IMO if this could have been confined to "most influential" in the sense of influential on subsequent musicians, producers, musical tastes, and even society at large (if you can argue the case). But the OP does say "most influential / best", and "best" opens the door to lists of favourite albums.

I'm also surprised by the number of people who've construed "most influential" as meaning "had most influence on me", which is a very odd and rather self-regarding way of reading the words. "Most influential" surely means influential on other musicians, producers etc etc.

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Why does it ?

If it was meant to mean musicians and producers, why did it not say so.................

Two things.

1. you're misquoting me. I didn't say "musicians and producers", I said "musicians, producers, musical tastes, and even society at large", and then I gave a shorthand version of the same: "musicians, producers etc etc". What I was saying is that "influential" is most naturally construed as meaning generally influential (as far as music can be influential, that is).

2. normal English usage supports my view. If you were to say "Shakespeare has been an influential writer" you wouldn't mean "influential on me", you'd mean influential on other writers and culture and society at large. If you wanted to mean "influential on me", you'd say it differently, something like "Shakespeare has had a profound influence on me". This is just normal usage of the word "influential".

Not at all,

                Music has influenced people to do a myriad of things, your veiwpoint is very short sighted...............

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hammill wrote:

The_Lhc wrote:

 

Well in what way can music be influential on those who have no connection to making music.

 

Lots of ways. For example you might listen to songs such as "A Motorbike in Africa", Biko or "Free Nelson Mandela" and decide to join the anti apartheid movement or listening to "Glad to be Gay" could change your feeling about Gay rights. Perhaps "Big Yellow Taxi" could turn you on to ecology or "It says here" make you stop reading the gutter press.

Moving way from that meaning of influential, perhaps a piece of music turned you onto a different style of music you had not previously considered like "Seconds Out" turned me on to prog or Chick Corea influenced me to explore Jazz.

Yes I agree the reason I got into jazz was the saxophone used by groups like Pink Floyd, Bruce Springsteen and Steely Dan, without that I would have maybe not any jazz cds or books, so that was an influence. Of course music has an influence on what people buy and because of that can have an effect of music and record companies, its a two thing its not just musicians producing what they want, its also about sales. not saying thats a good influence.

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Sospri wrote:

matt49 wrote:

I'm also surprised by the number of people who've construed "most influential" as meaning "had most influence on me", which is a very odd and rather self-regarding way of reading the words. "Most influential" surely means influential on other musicians, producers etc etc.

Why does it ?

If it was meant to mean musicians and producers, why did it not say so.................

Well in what way can music be influential on those who have no connection to making music. Take me as an example, I work in IT and my favourite pastime is playing golf, how on earth is The Blues Brothers Briefcase Full of Blues (one of my favourite albums) actually going to be influential on my life? It's an illogical question for people like myself surely?

For people like you, probably.....................

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Surprised Bowie's not been mentioned yet

But which album? There's not many (if any) Bowie recordings that were a brand new style of music, they tended to be (in my opinion) his take on a previous style of music

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