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Ah, but do the likes of Breitling claim that their watches are more accurate?

Yup. Under the Movement section:

To ensure complete mastery of the quality of its mechanical movements, Breitling built an ultramodern factory on the outskirts of La Chaux-de-Fonds and named Breitling Chronométrie. Moreover, all Breitling's electronic models are equipped with SuperQuartzTM movements that are ten times more accurate than the standard quartz equivalents.


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Indeed, in your opinion.  There's no reason why a Breitling should cost £7500.  Presumably it is ludicrous too, no?  And if it isn't why not?  It's the same tired old diatribe.  If a manufacturer wants to pitch itself at that market space, and I had a quick look at the Cardas site which produces pricey wires, and on the pages I saw, they make no claim about being "more accurate".  But they do sell their wires at a premium price.  Good luck to them.  People should be free to make their choices, an in informed manner without being ridiculed for doing so.  

 

In your opinion, do you think magazine reviews, such as those from WHFSV, provide consumers with adequate information to make an informed decision?  

 

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Ah, but do the likes of Breitling claim that their watches are more accurate? And, a Brietling will be different, in looks, materials, build and operation. A speaker cable is a length of wire covered in plastic or whatever, and there is no reason why one should cost more than another, so paying up to hundreds of times more is ludicrous, IMO.

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 the highest benchmark of precision and reliability

infinitely more accurate tolerances

ten times more accurate

Are you sure Dynamight?

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the record spot wrote:

Indeed, in your opinion.  There's no reason why a Breitling should cost £7500.  Presumably it is ludicrous too, no?  And if it isn't why not?  It's the same tired old diatribe.  If a manufacturer wants to pitch itself at that market space, and I had a quick look at the Cardas site which produces pricey wires, and on the pages I saw, they make no claim about being "more accurate".  But they do sell their wires at a premium price.  Good luck to them.  People should be free to make their choices, an in informed manner without being ridiculed for doing so.  

In your opinion, do you think magazine reviews, such as those from WHFSV, provide consumers with adequate information to make an informed decision?  

On the whole, yeah.  Don't you?

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professorhat wrote:

Dynamight wrote:

Ah, but do the likes of Breitling claim that their watches are more accurate?

Yup. Under the Movement section:

To ensure complete mastery of the quality of its mechanical movements, Breitling built an ultramodern factory on the outskirts of La Chaux-de-Fonds and named Breitling Chronométrie. Moreover, all Breitling's electronic models are equipped with SuperQuartzTM movements that are ten times more accurate than the standard quartz equivalents.

 


You can take that with a pinch of salt. Quartz oscillates at a fixed frequency, you cannot make it oscillate with more accuracy. Nice watches those Breitlings mind. Smile

 

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the record spot wrote:

Indeed, in your opinion.  There's no reason why a Breitling should cost £7500.  Presumably it is ludicrous too, no?  And if it isn't why not?  It's the same tired old diatribe.  If a manufacturer wants to pitch itself at that market space, and I had a quick look at the Cardas site which produces pricey wires, and on the pages I saw, they make no claim about being "more accurate".  But they do sell their wires at a premium price.  Good luck to them.  People should be free to make their choices, an in informed manner without being ridiculed for doing so.  

I would say a £7500 watch would be classed as expensive jewellery, whether buying one is ludicrous or not I don't know, is an expensive wedding ring ludicrous?

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Indeed. And even if they could prove measured differences, they'd surely be in region of tens or even hundreds of thousands of a second so no way detectable by a human.

Hang on, why is this sounding familiar...  Smile

 

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WinterRacer wrote:

the record spot wrote:

Indeed, in your opinion.  There's no reason why a Breitling should cost £7500.  Presumably it is ludicrous too, no?  And if it isn't why not?  It's the same tired old diatribe.  If a manufacturer wants to pitch itself at that market space, and I had a quick look at the Cardas site which produces pricey wires, and on the pages I saw, they make no claim about being "more accurate".  But they do sell their wires at a premium price.  Good luck to them.  People should be free to make their choices, an in informed manner without being ridiculed for doing so.  

In your opinion, do you think magazine reviews, such as those from WHFSV, provide consumers with adequate information to make an informed decision?  

On the whole, yeah.  Don't you?

 

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  I'd like more technical information than WHF provides, but that's just me.  Also, there have been a few reviews that have made me question the validity of the testing.  

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the record spot wrote:

Indeed, in your opinion.  There's no reason why a Breitling should cost £7500.  Presumably it is ludicrous too, no?  And if it isn't why not?  It's the same tired old diatribe.  If a manufacturer wants to pitch itself at that market space, and I had a quick look at the Cardas site which produces pricey wires, and on the pages I saw, they make no claim about being "more accurate".  But they do sell their wires at a premium price.  Good luck to them.  People should be free to make their choices, an in informed manner without being ridiculed for doing so.  

 

In your opinion, do you think magazine reviews, such as those from WHFSV, provide consumers with adequate information to make an informed decision?  

 

 

It depends.  Which consumer segment are you talking about, what do you consider to be adequate information for that target market, and what you feel an "informed" decision is.   

If you want to target - as is the fun thing to do with the science mob - WHFS&V, then I think their reviews are probably okay for most people, but that's without my foreknowledge (and I assume yours too) of their circulation statistics.  

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john duncan wrote:

WinterRacer wrote:

In your opinion, do you think magazine reviews, such as those from WHFSV, provide consumers with adequate information to make an informed decision?  

On the whole, yeah.  Don't you?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  I'd like more technical information than WHF provides, but that's just me.  Also, there have been a few reviews that have made me question the validity of the testing.  

Me too.  Like the ones where they say Cyrus amps are great.  But then I listen and form my own opinion.  Each to their own...

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WinterRacer wrote:

the record spot wrote:

Indeed, in your opinion.  There's no reason why a Breitling should cost £7500.  Presumably it is ludicrous too, no?  And if it isn't why not?  It's the same tired old diatribe.  If a manufacturer wants to pitch itself at that market space, and I had a quick look at the Cardas site which produces pricey wires, and on the pages I saw, they make no claim about being "more accurate".  But they do sell their wires at a premium price.  Good luck to them.  People should be free to make their choices, an in informed manner without being ridiculed for doing so.  

 

In your opinion, do you think magazine reviews, such as those from WHFSV, provide consumers with adequate information to make an informed decision?  

 

 

It depends.  Which consumer segment are you talking about, what do you consider to be adequate information for that target market, and what you feel an "informed" decision is.   

If you want to target - as is the fun thing to do with the science mob - WHFS&V, then I think their reviews are probably okay for most people, but that's without my foreknowledge (and I assume yours too) of their circulation statistics.  

Do you think it would benefit their readership, if WHF ran the odd blind test of products that have no proven benefit?
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the record spot wrote:

Indeed, in your opinion.  There's no reason why a Breitling should cost £7500.  Presumably it is ludicrous too, no?  And if it isn't why not?  It's the same tired old diatribe.  If a manufacturer wants to pitch itself at that market space, and I had a quick look at the Cardas site which produces pricey wires, and on the pages I saw, they make no claim about being "more accurate".  But they do sell their wires at a premium price.  Good luck to them.  People should be free to make their choices, an in informed manner without being ridiculed for doing so.  

I would say a £7500 watch would be classed as expensive jewellery, whether buying one is ludicrous or not I don't know, is an expensive wedding ring ludicrous?

Someone is being ridiculed??

Oh they have been DM, they have been.  

And indeed, whether buying an expensive watch, ring, or whatever might well be ludicrous, but it might not.  It depends on who's buying, so why it comes down to only cables that are "ludicrous" when for most folk a £40 Sekonda, £200 Seiko or £400 Mondaine would tick all the boxes in terms of telling the time, or a £100 white gold ring instead of their pricier equivalents, get all the attention when precisely the same arguments can be pointed at fancy jewellery or timepieces I have no idea.  I suspect many axe gets well ground when the pages of a hifi magazine gets opened however...

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People should be free to make their choices, an in informed manner without being ridiculed for doing so.  

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Do you think it would benefit their readership, if WHF ran the odd blind test of products that have no proven benefit?

 

You're too late mate; I knew all about IDC's tests page ages ago and the St. Andrews Uni test page before that.  Personally, I couldn't care less.  I use a £3 coax cable, a £30 interconnect, a £200 pair of Atlas Navigators, a £8 optical cable, a £10 Tesco HDMI cable and a £30 Hitachi HDMI cable.  So shoot me.  

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WinterRacer wrote:

the record spot wrote:

Indeed, in your opinion.  There's no reason why a Breitling should cost £7500.  Presumably it is ludicrous too, no?  And if it isn't why not?  It's the same tired old diatribe.  If a manufacturer wants to pitch itself at that market space, and I had a quick look at the Cardas site which produces pricey wires, and on the pages I saw, they make no claim about being "more accurate".  But they do sell their wires at a premium price.  Good luck to them.  People should be free to make their choices, an in informed manner without being ridiculed for doing so.  

 

In your opinion, do you think magazine reviews, such as those from WHFSV, provide consumers with adequate information to make an informed decision?  

 

 

It depends.  Which consumer segment are you talking about, what do you consider to be adequate information for that target market, and what you feel an "informed" decision is.   

If you want to target - as is the fun thing to do with the science mob - WHFS&V, then I think their reviews are probably okay for most people, but that's without my foreknowledge (and I assume yours too) of their circulation statistics.  

Do you think it would benefit their readership, if WHF ran the odd blind test of products that have no proven benefit?

Like the very one this thread was started to discuss, you mean?

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/more-snake-oil#comment-2763583

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