Well, that might not have been your intention but including it in a clause with the AEX that is stated as "not hi-fi" kind of makes it look as if you are saying that. I think. I lost my train of thought half way through typing that sentence...
But yes, other than that we are agreeing.
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Take out the Airplay and the rest of it is irrelevant, a Macbook delivering Lossless files to a DAC via an optical connection (for example) isn't going to sound any different to a CD player deliver digital audio to the same DAC. It's everything downstream of that that will determine if it's "hi-fi" or not.
It is the Airplay that is the point.......
Airplay transfers everything as 44.1 kHz/16bit ALAC. So as long as your listening to normal CD quality rips, it is not the Airplay that is making a difference in SQ. The difference must be elsewhere in the chain. (Software EQ, an AppleTV resampling to 48 kHz, or something else)
Dave I think you've got a lot of good things to say, some of which I agree with, it's just unfortunate that sometimes you put it across in a very aloof way. Even I've found myself on the receiving-end of your sharp tongue, bizarrely on an occasion in another thread when I was supposed to be agreeing with you. But I do enjoy reading your posts, mostly, and I respect your obvious knowledge of the subject matter.
Genuine apologies if I was a little too sharp, I am use to fora that allow a little more in the way of 'banter' and 'rough and tumble', though I have been trying quite hard recently to be polite.
I do find it a little difficult on occasions with some of the rubbish that is posted, mostly I just 'bite my lip' and do not get involved but there are occasions where I feel I have to say something. Being scientifically trained I tend, particularly when correcting errors of fact, to be quite precise and say what I mean and I get pretty annoyed with some on here who then give me grief for things that I have, quite specifically, not said,
I am also somewhat miffed (see, very polite indeed!) when I am called a liar ( not yourself) when recounting a little anecdote from my years in the business, but hey, this is the internet so there is not much I can do.
Edited for spelling.
Seeing as I think you might be referring to me in your last paragraph all I will say is this: I felt it was quite the coincidence that right after I posted my comments around a £2k system and a passing comment around the Denon player Jimmy Hughes once had, you came back with how you once had a £2k budget too and just happened to meet Jimmy as well. Namedropping the "J M" for good measure.
Dave, I respect your views on some things but on others you leave me cold. Your posting style makes it look like you know better than anyone else, with an unfortunate arrogance in tow. You are what we'd call locally as a "bit of a blaw".
I have spoken about my £2k budget before on other threads, mostly in reference to how I came to spend some time with ADM9s, this all happened about 18 months ago. it was nothing directly to do with your comments.
ADMs plus stands, Sonos Connect plus remote, about £2k. It was what I experienced looking for alternatives that formed the basis of my post.
And you brought up Jimmy Hughes, not me. I thought it something of a coincidence that I had spoken to him not that long ago and thought it worth mentioning, nothing more.
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Airplay transfers everything as 44.1 kHz/16bit ALAC.
Do you have a reference for this? I tried to find info about Airplay transmission a year or so ago, and found nothing except a suspicion that it curtailed frequencies above 15khz. Fwiw, I found Airplay via an ATV3 and dac to be audibly different to a MBP straight into a dac, but found the MBP to sound the same whether outputting at 44.1 or 48 khz, so for me it was the Airplay transmission not the re-sampling.
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This is an interesting subject, information and miss-information abounds.
I have seen comments and articles to the effect that the output, even via Airplay remains bit perfect but I am at a loss to see how that can be the case if resampling is taking place......
Similarly I have seen discussions where the 'packaging' of the data for Airplay transmission has been discussed in some detail and how this 'packaging' results in data loss......
Realistically all I know is that my wired optical connection sounds better than the same equipment using Airplay which, for once, seems in accord with the audiophile viewpoint.
I have tested 'native' CD replay (from the built-in CD player) vs ALAC rip of the same CD using Airplay.
The test was as close as you can get. Same device with the same DAC and the same speakers and only a couple of seconds between comparisons (remotely switching between paused tracks on iMac iTunes and CD player in Marantz).
The results were as close as I could expect too.
Not sure I could hear any differences TBH.
Maybe it was because there were no intervening 'boxes' (like ATVs or AEXs) and no other DACs involved. Dunno. But i am happy that there was so little (if any) difference.
I am not an 'audiophile'. I don't measure the distance - to millimetre accuracy - between my ears and speakers and I don't sit in a special listening chair - with my face scrunched up in total concentration - noting the number of 'spontaneous foot taps' on a clipboard!
I don't even like the term 'audiophile' and never want to listen to music in the same room as one
I am not going to repeat the tests. Once was enough (just after getting the Marantz and AirPlay up and running a couple of years ago) and I felt like an idiot even then! Just wanted to re-assure myself that AirPlay sounded good enough to move over to it as a preferred way of listening.
YMMV and good luck to your golden ears (and tapping toes) if it does.
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Surely were in the days of no nonsense hi Fi.
With the likes of Sonos, airplay etc we can select from our own or online library's using a phone app. I disagree about quality too. I've never had hifi sound as good as it does now.
At this moment, I am listening to the inception soundtrack from Amazon Cloudplayer using an iPad mini & headphones.
In the distant past I'd have to go to the record collection collection, find the lp, take the inner sleeve from the outer, and the vinyl from that all the while taking care. Inspect the record and give it a clean. Turn on all the equipment, cue up the record and play. I could then relax for 20 minutes and then get up and turn it over if I want to hear the whole album. Remote control, pause/skip ???
at least now we have a choice. I'll very often have a whole day listening to music, choosing from millions of tracks, doing nothing but tapping my iPad.
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I dont see it as a faff though.
I work with computers all day, the last thing I want to do is use one to play music. I also find that when playing music with streaming/tablet is that I tend to skip around songs reather than just playing an album.
All I want my CDP to do is play CDs, its actually a DVD player but its sole job is to play a disk.
The same with vinyl, I take care with my music, sometimes I line up 3-4 albums across the front of the room as a 'playlist' then I can appreciate the artwork that goes with it, and the lyrics etc.
I dont need my amplifiers to have wireless connectivity or have to have firmware updates.
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Now we've got the choice, which is great.
Vinyl is not for me, but many others love it. And I only play CDs in the car. But on longer journeys will plug in my iPhone.
Like I say Dave, I just found it quite the coincidence and still do now. Moreso in fact. But this is no biggie. All part of the rough and tumble.
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I'm not going to react to the tone of the post but it is interesting.
My AEX is a Mark 1, series 2 (if you see what I mean) with 'n' band connectivity, it woks well enough but is not up to the standard of the direct connection as noted above, not a massive difference but obvous enough.
At some point I am going to investigate this further, it is the kind of project that 'amuses' me but I shall probably need some different and maybe better equipment to do so.
But sufficiently big for you to call me names and, effectively a liar, on more than one occasion. I don't much like that.
Take a look at my posts here.......
This is from the 6th June, other examples are available.
And from here........
An early version of the guest list for the function I mentioned.
I find the reasons "against" vinyl are a tad lightweight and the pros "for" the convenience of alternative means of playback overstated at times.
I found vinyl a hassle whenever I moved home. 700 or so LPs, Half a dozen or so heavy boxes or crates to shunt them around. A major pain. That said, it's still best physical format aesthetically. The playback is either you love it or hate it. Getting up ever 20 mins is no biggie, though the recent trend for the 45rpm album is not my cup of tea (or the price that goes with them). Everything else, it's a lovely experience.
The alternative digital streams are convenient, sound good, but I found that using my iPod Touch I need it wired up otherwise the battery drops in about two hours. If I use online streaming, then I'm at the mercy of my network provider or ISP. If I stream on the move - say using Tune in Radio or Spotify - my battery on my phone will be dead in around two hours. Maybe three at a great big push. That's not the fault of Tune-in, or Spotify, but it's a "feature" of most smartphones that their battery sucks. I listen to music a lot, all day if I can, so what good this great new technology that's pretty skank after a half day running it?
So "no-nonsense" hifi? No, plenty of nonsense still Richard! Just new-tech nonsense!
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