how about 610 with Wharfedale Diamond 156?
No idea, never even seen this speaker.
Specs suggest it is fairly sensitive (89db/watt) and the multiple driver setup will most likely give plenty of of everything.
Quality wise, I do not have a clue.
We do so many shows in a row,
And these towns all look the same,
We just pass the time in our hotel room
And wander 'round backstage,
Till the lights come up, and we hear that crowd,
And we remember why we came.
Although I am happy with the sound quality of the Marantz M-CR610 (it provides an incredibly good sound for the price..detail is terriffic) I am still aiming to get something 'better' later.... With that in mind I unpacked my old kit (which I'd already packed up to flog on ebay) and tried out the CR610 pre outs connected to the Cyrus II and PSX (about £650 quids worth of amplifcation). There is no doubt about it the Cyrus II and PSX 'lift' the sound to another level. Can't say any differently. It's punchier, more analytical (to a fault sometimes), more controlled and you can hear that there are toroids under the lids; they have a character of their own I think. However, that said I have repacked up the Cyrus II and PSX and they are sitll going on ebay as I am looking for a 'different sound'. Had them for a long time but I want a change to be quite honest. And I'd actually like a lot more of the sound that the Marantz is giving me now; really is a musical and easy-to-live-with bit of kit!
After removing the Cyrus amp the change in sound was immediately noticable but the Marantz wasn't shamed in any way without the Cyrus ampflication. The CR610 is so capable it wasn't left standing at all, which quite surprised me...it has effortlessly handled every type of music I've thrown at it and I've enjoyed it all. It gets extra marks for the way how it handles classical and choral, vocals, acoustic and jazz. Okay, I can tell it doesn't have a £650 amp inside, but knowing that doesn't make it any less capable or enjoyable and I'm not thinking at any time, this is budget. On the contrary, I keep wondering how on earth Marantz get a small box with all the features it has to make such a good sound for the price. The Concept 20s are (IMO) an exellent match for the CR610 (I expect there are other speakers that'll be equally as good with it)..and I'm finding the Concept 20s so good they'll probably be with me for a long while yet (I could hear they had loads more to offer with the the Cyrus amp on the end of them).
I'm more than happy to have the Marantz M-CR610 as my main system component for the time being. I''ll definitely be upgrading in the nearish future (that was always my intention though) but having the Marantz M-CR610 and Concept 20s to listen to all my music now will make sure that there's no great hurry...and it sets the bar very high quite honestly as I'll be expecting a lot in terms of features and sound quality from my next bit of kit.
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However, that said I have repacked up the Cyrus II and PSX and they are sitll going on ebay as I am looking for a 'different sound'. Had them for a long time but I want a change to be quite honest. And I'd actually like a lot more of the sound that the Marantz is giving me now; really is a musical and easy-to-live-with bit of kit!
After removing the Cyrus amp the change in sound was immediately noticable but the Marantz wasn't shamed in any way without the Cyrus ampflication. The CR610 is so capable it wasn't left standing at all, which quite surprised me...it has effortlessly handled every type of music I've thrown at it and I've enjoyed it all. It gets extra marks for the way how it handles classical and choral, vocals, acoustic and jazz. Okay, I can tell it doesn't have a £650 amp inside, but knowing that doesn't make it any less capable or enjoyable and I'm not thinking at any time, this is budget. On the contrary, I keep wondering how on earth Marantz get a small box with all the features it has to make such a good sound for the price.
I could have said (in fact I did say) very much the same when I sold my Naim Nait 5i / CD5i / NAT05 system and bought the M-CR603 two and a half years ago.
Since then I have had many people 'assure' me that seperates would sound better and I could genuinely say "yes I know but that's not the point".
The Marantz sounds fantastic, in it's own right and on it's own terms, and allows me to enjoy music and speech content in ways I had not dreamt possible a few years before (and gave me back a good chunk of living room in the bargain).
Some people will not want to understand because the Marantz is a mini-system, it is flexible, it has class D amps, it is mass-market (or tending that way), it uses AirPlay (Apple? Boo hiss etc.) and it is bordering on being that worst of things to a hardcore 'audiophile' ... a lifestyle product. (Eek!)
Trouble is that I am still enjoying it hugely and more than I ever did with my old Naim system (part of which spent 6 months in it's box, before I finally sold it all, because I had got just plain depressed with it's looks and bulk and cables and 'neediness' and faff).
No point in having a system (even if it sounds better) if you can't bring yourself to switch it on sometimes!
Very much to the point Chebby.
Sometimes, often in fact, the 'best' systems are the ones that we use the most. it helps tremendously if those systems are 'well sorted', that is working within their capabilities with well matched ancilliaries and providing a quality that is easy to listen too.
As a dealer one of the biggest issues that I had to deal with was 'enthusiasts' who assembled systems of poorly matched components that sounded inferior to systems at half the price. However gently and carefully you explained the problem, the tendency to 'shoot the messenger' was by far the most common reaction.
How does the little 603 do power wise?
Is the soundstage and bass solid or does it tend towards a more 'detailed' but washed out sound? Is it dynamic with regards to ebb and flow of music?
I know they quote 60w but I doubt that is into an 8ohm load continuous. That plus 'class D' modules usually have little dynamic headroom.
May get one at their current £300 price but only heard one (603) a long time ago briefly.
Pretty ... and pretty proud of it
One of the best posts I've read on this forum and one with which I completely agree.
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That about sums if up really. Good man. I seem to have been through a similar transition then
In all seriousness I completely get it though, but I do wish (yeah, that thing) the gap between audiophile separates and 'mini systems' was drastically closed. I don't see why it isn't possible at all. Marantz has partially proved this, and they've done a really good job to be sure, but this could be a first step towards something much better.
There do seem to be some 'weightier' products available, I've looked, but they are few and far between, and often overpriced for the hobbled feature set being offered - there seems to be an aversion to adding 'ordinary features' that people actually want to use in the higher priced all-in-one products, for obvious reasons. But there's a big, gaping hole in the market for high quality one or two box compactish systems (I think). Marantz may be missing a big trick here: if they designed another version ( s ) of this mini, a bigger 'brother( s )' one / two box but with superior build quality (better than the 603 even..and definitely better than the 610 :-/ ) and higher quality power supplies, DAC, CD transport, etc. and perhaps the ability to whack a single or matching pair of power amps on the end if wanted, I think it would be a game changer. Well I'd more than likely be in the queue to get one I'm sure. I get that it wouldn't ever be considered a 'true and pure' audiophile product being an all-in-one but like you I really do not care, as I believe for a lot of people if it 'fit in' and sounded truly superb it would be an 'audiophile-enough' product to them...and, like you say, who the hell cares if you are enjoying your music without tripping over elephant trunk (referencing my old Linn K400)?
Re: Martantz M-CR610 USB file limit
(sorry for bumping this but didn't want to start a new thread for it)
For anybody who has this unit and is curious about the USB device file limit there is one apprarrently. However, it's not as clear cut as it states in the manual. In the Manual it states there is a combined 5000 folder and file limit. Before I got the Marantzs I bought 3 Toshiba 2.5" 500gb portable drives to use with them not knowing about any file limit. In fact, I simply copied over a lot of music to all three without any checking of the manual on the cdrom and just plugged them in. Worked perfectly, didn't think anything of it....until the other day when I got around to reading the manual thoroughly. That's where this file limit is given. Thing is, dawned on me that something was amiss as the USB drives currently have 15,000 + file on them in different folders and I've been browsing the contents and everything on there is listed. Hmm. Phoned Marantz and they say that it is a precaution or cautious figure due to different USB device capabilities and possible sluggishness etc. but that the folder limit may actually be 5000 due to the FAT table.. Well I've got under 2000 folders on the drives and all those files and it isn't particularly sluggish. It takes a moment to pause..not instantaneous and unpause etc. But other than that it is just fine. I was in a fluster thinking I'd have to jump in right away and get a NAS server sorted but actually I can hang back and take my time now. May be useful to someone.
Oh yes, I discovered that you can (like my portable music player) press play in the root folder of the USB drive, turn on shuffle and off it goes...excellent. Very useful indeed. Although if you manually skip tracks and there is a jpeg in the folder (I have artwork in every folder) it will display an file format error brielfy before attempting to play the next file. So finding the file doesn't bring it to a halt. Surprised it doesn't ignore the artwork though.
I've read with great interest your opinion on new Marantz. I own M-CR603 since January 2011. And don't stop to admire its versatility and quality, and its really high quality appearance.
I understand your experiments with bi-amping and single amping. For 1 year and a half I used it in bi-amping mode (since the first day). 1,5 yeras later I decided to try single amping. And it took me only two hours to take the decision to stay in a single amp mode. The reason was the same - more monolithic, homogenous and powerful sound, slightly darker, but with less space and air. I used single-wire and jumpers on loudspeakers.
I put an eye on the new model, because it has gapless playback. And my music library (FLAC format) is stored on WD MyBookLive 2Tb network storage. So now I have to cut every cue.file to play it through Marantz mediaserver option. Its not difficult, but sometimes annoying.
Don't you know does 610 support gapless playback with network storage?
And does it really have a whole plastic body, or only the front panel? It looks shining and glaring or lacqued on youtube videos. Are its sides and upper opaque (mat) or glaring?
This model is not available in Moscow yet. It will be available only next month, so I don't have opportunity to examine it thoroughly.
My current setup: M-CR603, Dynaudio DM 2/7, XLO Reference Type 5 Speaker cable, WD MyBookLive 2Tb Network Storage, 32 Gb Usb Flash in USB input.
Hello Alexander (Mugam)
Also, like the 603s, any external drives plugged directly into the rear or front USB ports must be formatted as FAT/FAT32. I got caught out there so that's why I mention it.
I would also add that the sound became a little bit faster and agressive than in bi-amp mode. And its a pity that Marantz could not keep the combination of luxury appearance and versatility of formats. So now they (to my opinion) lowered this product a little bit down to its hardware duplicate - Denon Ceol 7 or 8, which from the very beginning was in platic glossy body. But it had wi-fi. So you had a choice - luxury metal body without wifi, or wifi in plastic. Now no choice. Wifi and plastic. Maybe its technical matter - no wifi signal in metal body.
Looking on the official photos of 610 you are not able to see that it is plastic and glossy. I became suspicious when i didn't find in the description the phrase about whole aluminium body and its weight was designated almost 1 kg less. I wonder how does it look the silver/gold variant. But it it seems to be distributed only in Japan.
603 also is not whole moulded. Its side cheeks are held by four hexagon screws.
Thank you for your paying attention to file system in external HDD. I also had some problems, because you can't format large discs in FAT through Windows OS. So I had to find out how to do it. I've started with external USB HDD, and later I've bought WD MyBookLive and unplugged USB HDD drive as unnecessary. Substituted it with 32 Gb USB flash drive for my little son to listen to audiobooks easily, not disturbing the other sources.
U think the 610 is really rated at 60W rms per channel at 6ohms??
All ratings are relative. This one is too. Marantz is lightly cunning. I will show on example of M-CR603 which I own. Both are the same it seems to me. You can see two measurements in the manual:
(1 kHz, total harmonic distortion 0.7 %, 8 Ω) 40 W + 40 W
(1 kHz, total harmonic distortion 0.7 %, 6 Ω) 50 W + 50 W THD 0,7% !!!
Effective maximum output
(1 kHz, total harmonic distortion 10 %, !!! 8 Ω) 50 W + 50 W
(1 kHz, total harmonic distortion 10 %,!!! 6 Ω) 60 W + 60 W THD 10%!!! Its a noticeable distortion level.
or Denon CEOL N7
Rated output 2-channel driving
65 W + 65 W (4 Ω/ohms, 1 kHz, T.H.D. 0.7 %) The same for Marantz 603 at 4 Ohms as its a hardware duplicate for Denon
Dynamic power 80 W + 80 W (4 Ω/ohm)
or TEAC H-CR500DNT the same class CD receiver
40 W/Ch (6 Ohms, 05%, 1Khz)
So I understand that the real power output of Marantz M-CR at 6 Ohms is 50 W, or 65 W at 4 Ohms, or 40 W at 8 Ohm.
Though it is not recommended to use 4 Ohm speakers on the back of its body, I use Dynadio DM2/7 4 Ohm bookshelves. I've got permission from technical support from Marantz-Europe for this, saying "no problems".
magnus78...the answer? No, not now It really really needs better power, simple as that. But then it would need a bigger box I suppose and whilst I'd be more than happy with that pesonally I suspect that others may not be. I have actually been wondering what a pair of Proprius Power Amplifier Monoblocks would be like on either side of the 610...be nice to try before a buy. Lot of money though.
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