That's a real pity, I'm looking for an excuse to buy one.
Assuming you aren't 100 percent ideologically 'wedded' to actives for every audio application, then why not do as the OP did and use a decent pair of little passive bookshelf speakers?
The numerous positive user reviews of the M-CR603 were for the complete package and not just it's built-in sources. I am guessing (from looking at your other kit) that you are not thinking of making the M-CR610 your main system and that it's going to be used as a second / third system in a den or office or spare room instead.
I can't see a problem with that (using the M-CR610 with passive bookshelf speakers), unless you want to play it at filling loosening volume settings
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Possibly for a main system. I've recently done a Sonos v airplay comparison. The Sonos won but I've not completely discount airplay yet. But I love the way the Marantz brings things together in one place.
If it was to become part of an extra system, I wouldn't necessarily be averse to a small pair of passives. I couldn't see me turning away from actives as main speakers (AVI or not).
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I was so keen on using the 610 as a pre-amp that I completely miss-read the information, wishfill thinking on my behalf......
Using the 'all inclusive' 610 to drive a pair of small actives would have been perfect for me given my current 'cash poor' situation. I'm really dissapointed, budget wise it would have been affordable, shame really.
Still, if anyone finds such a product, most of the functionality of the 610 but with pre-outs, I would be seriously interested. I am not a fan of A/V recievers, so although some come very close to my needs, I wouldn't want to go down that route.
We do so many shows in a row,
And these towns all look the same,
We just pass the time in our hotel room
And wander 'round backstage,
Till the lights come up, and we hear that crowd,
And we remember why we came.
OP, what's the verdict on gapless playback?
Does is work on DLNA & USB?
Does is work from the control app?
Yes, I can confirm that gapless works via network and USB. First thing I tested.
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And where is our silver M-CR610 option? (UK only gets black with white panel, or black with black panel.)
Whatever the colour, the new one has an all plastic outer case and has had it's looks ruined compared to the (IMO much more elegant and smart, metal encased) M-CR603...
Yes, it does. I connected to Serviio on my PC using the Marantz remote app on my Samsung Galaxy III and played them on the M-CR610 gapless without problems.
Actually I know how you feel there I have to say. I wanted silver boxes as well, although the black 'fits in' downstairs. Nonetheless, I preferred the look of the M-CR603. The CR610 body doesn't feel as substantial in plastic. I kind of understand where Marantz have taken it, but I think they went off track with the new design. The solid build was part of the appeal I think.
You'll also find that when the dimmer is active (no display) a green led now glows brightly to let you know the unit is still on. Again, I get it, but it's OTT. It's too bright (but then I hate ruddy leds glowing) but then the CR603 had white 'eyes' when the dimmer was on so swings and roundabouts I suppose
The am radio has been done away with and the fm and DAB sockets have been combined into one. I didn't see the point of the am anyway and to be honest, the combi socket means one cable feeding the unit so probably a good move and declutters the back panel.
The rear USB is a real bonus for me (aside of gapless playback). I have a 2 1/2 inch drive permanently attached to it. It sits on top of the Marantz at the back. You can't even see it. And access to a lot of music with one press. Haven't used the front USB yet (was using it on the CR603 with the hard drive)
Media server is as it was except you can now fast forward and play gapless flacs.
Still slow connecting to USB and servers. Nothing changed there. I find that annoying actually.
There is also an audible switching noise as the CR610 switches between sources...like a hard drive disconnecting...a cick and a whine. Bit disconcerting at first. And power off isn't quick: It takes a while...as it shuts down the unit an icon spins on the display and then disappears as ti goes into standby.
I'm trying to compare the sound of the CR610 to the CR603 from memory, but I didn't have the CR603's for a great length of time. However, it does strike me that the CR610s are a little 'brighter' than the CR603s. But that may be because it hasn't fully settled in yet....maybe. I hope so. Something has changed soundwise though. But then I'm listening through new speakers as well, so not sure yet how to fully describe what it is other than to say that the emphasis on the mid and upper frequencies seems to be greater. Doesn't seem quite so intergrated with the lower frequencies. But that may be the speakers running in as well. Again, I'll give it a good 40 to 60 hours and then I'll be certain of what is. I also have the new Concept 20s bi-amped and that can produce a slightly brighter sound IME. One thing notable about this combo is that the treble is actually amazing. Not fatiguing in any way. But then if the emphahis remains on the upper frequencies it would start to feel a bit low-fi very quickly. Probably best not saying much else until everything has run in well.
Ya i'm kind of disappointed with the plastic body. And its almost 1kg lighter than the 603. To cut material cost and reduce shipping charges? But i do hope it sounds better than 603. Looking forward to the official review.
Saw a online dealer and they actually pair the M-CR610 with KEF LS50 as a bundle package
I think you may have answered your own question regarding the sound comparison between the 603 and 610. It may be that the Concept 20s are the main reason for a change in sound. I can't see there being any difference between the 2 marantz units as they use the same amplification.
I've been following threads on the 603 for over a year now and one thing has become clear. The 603 would stand or fall by the speakers it was attached to, and would benefit greatly from better and better speakers, which is why I'm not suprised to see a 610/LS50 combination.
As for looks, I'm with Chebby. IMO, the 603 will become a classic peice of kit, whereas the 610 will be forgotten when the next version comes along.
That said, this is Hi fi, and if the 610 ticks all the boxes for sound and ease of use, then looks and finish won't matter a jot.
I'm still envious and wish I had the spare cash to try one out.
I think the cover materials might be a victim of Marantz trying to keep to a 3 year-old price point. (The M-CR603 was also £499 at launch in late 2010 and was £479 when I bought mine in spring 2011).
I think they should have retained the 'edge' over all-plastic bodied models (like the Denon CEOL range) and charged £599 rather than cut build quality and finish standards.
The ipod/iphone stand that came with the 603 no longer included in the 610. cost cutting again?
Problem solved. the bright sound was beginning to freak me out a bit so I stuck my Mission 751s on the end but other than an increased level of detail and slightly worse stereo image sound was still bright with little bottom end integration. so, stu k the MCR610 back into single amp mode, removed my new biamp cables and connected my old and more expensive 2 to 4 bi-wire cables to the Marantz and concept 20s. incredible. Brightness gone rich sound back again. now of course it is either bi amping or the cables or even both. all I know is it is a massive difference in biwire. So may have just wasted 80 quid on the new cables...most of cost was actually terminations. I was considering snipping ends of new cable and turning them into biwire set to test. but may just flog them on ebay or something. anyhow. Anyone considering this combo in biamp mode should think twice...well don't do it.
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