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Desperation is setting in. That reminds me, I must replace the mains lead on my kettle to improve the taste of my morning cuppa. Does Russ stock proper kettle leads?

I put my HiFi mains lead on the kettle without telling my wife, she made me a cup of tea and it did taste different.

Found out we had run out of decaf tea bags and had to use caffinated ones..

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At the risk of going off at another tangent, pretty all the comparison tests of cables that I recall have started with the allegedly inferior product first.  It is rare to start with the top of the range stuff then revert to the standard or cheaper version.  

Just saying.

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hi all,just putting my 50 pence worth,what i cant understand is,how is it when the likes of nordost ,shunyata ,russ andrews,chord,xlo,wireworld and many other that i could mention ,sell thousands of cables every year,why is that the guys who buy them me included me allways go back and buy another one does this mean are hearing gets worse for every cable we buy lol,this cable debate will never be won,but i dont think it's fair to knock the guys who are prepared to give the cables a go.were not asking the people who dont believe to go out and buy one,were just reporting what we hear.cheers david

 

It's one of those instances when you shouldn't trust your ears. 

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so what your saying trev c,that the thousands of people that have bought mains cables all have problems with there hearing,and all the companys that produce mains cables are liars and thives,as i said before no one telling you to buy ,but dont knock guys that do buy them.david

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so what your saying trev c,that the thousands of people that have bought mains cables all have problems with there hearing,and all the companys that produce mains cables are liars and thives,as i said before no one telling you to buy ,but dont knock guys that do buy them.david

No, he is not saying that thousands of people have problems with their hearing. He is saying that if you spend a lot of money on a cable and expect it to sound better then it may well do to you , regardless if it makes any real difference. There are countless experiments that show that is how people behave and this is to do with the brain, not the ears. I recently bought an SACD of a favourite album and was convinced it sounded better with a lot of new detail. I then compared with the original CD and found all the supposed new detail was already there - I was simply listening very carefully and expecting a difference for the SACD, which was imaginary. As to the second part, sorry but I do think that the companys who make expensive mains cables knowingly make a product that does not improve sound in the slightest and would be out of business if it were up to me.

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so what your saying trev c,that the thousands of people that have bought mains cables all have problems with there hearing,and all the companys that produce mains cables are liars and thives.david

 

There is a lot of technical sounding gobbledygook on the internet desiged to deceive the unwary, CNo posted some. I've not criticized anyone's hearing either.If you want to waste your money, fine, go right ahead, but there is no possibility that a mains lead affects sound quality.

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TrevC wrote:

It's one of those instances when you shouldn't trust your ears. 

 

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in all fairness you could say that about an amp cd player,a tv and so on you could  listen to an amp for £300 pound and then listen to an amp that cost £1000 pounds,is also possiable that you should'nt trust your ears because one sound better than the other,our ears are the tools that we choose are hifi products,just because some people dont hear a diffrence between one product and another dose'nt mean there is'nt one.as you said if people want to waste there money thats upto them,but i dont feel that i have wasted mine.to me you seem 100% sure mains cables dont work ,may i ask which ones you have tryed that makes you so sure.the guys of what hifi have tryed quite a few and in many cases find the do make an improvement or are they wrong to.cheers david

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davidvann wrote:

in all fairness you could say that about an amp cd player,a tv and so on you could  listen to an amp for £300 pound and then listen to an amp that cost £1000 pounds,is also possiable that you should'nt trust your ears because one sound better than the other

Didn't you get the memo? All competent amps sound the same (subject to certain provisos).

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Hi,

What do people think of this article? http://www.shunyata.com/Content/DTCD.html

Some scientific evidence for power cables making a difference, other than my ears.

Cheers

Steve.

 

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Hi,

What do people think of this article? http://www.shunyata.com/Content/DTCD.html

Some scientific evidence for power cables making a difference, other than my ears.

Cheers

Steve.

 

They make the things!  Independent evidence is useful.

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stephennic wrote:

Hi,

What do people think of this article? http://www.shunyata.com/Content/DTCD.html

Some scientific evidence for power cables making a difference, other than my ears.

Cheers

Steve.

 

 

From the article:

NOTE: DTCD tests are an extreme test of the limits of power cord performance and do not represent normal operation into a power supply.

 

So I am not sure what useful information the tests provide. In general, I would be very dubious about tests carried out by the manafacturer.

 

 

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hi all ,as trev c said that we should'nt trust our ears ,i would like to know how do we go about buying our hifi products,do we go into are local storesjust to look but not listen,because we cant trust our ears.some people find when buying a mains cable that they get a small improvement lets say for instance cd player but a larger one in an amp, i also agree in some system dont make an improvement,but unless you try you wont find out.as they say dont knock it until you tryed it.lol cheers david:rofl:  ROFL 

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hi all ,as trev c said that we should'nt trust our ears ,i would like to know how do we go about buying our hifi products,do we go into are local storesjust to look but not listen,because we cant trust our ears.some people find when buying a mains cable that they get a small improvement lets say for instance cd player but a larger one in an amp, i also agree in some system dont make an improvement,but unless you try you wont find out.as they say dont knock it until you tryed it.lol cheers david:rofl:  ROFL 

 

Read this.

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/myths.html

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stephennic wrote:

Hi,

What do people think of this article? http://www.shunyata.com/Content/DTCD.html

Some scientific evidence for power cables making a difference, other than my ears.

Cheers

Steve.

 

 

From the article:

NOTE: DTCD tests are an extreme test of the limits of power cord performance and do not represent normal operation into a power supply.

 

So I am not sure what useful information the tests provide. In general, I would be very dubious about tests carried out by the manafacturer.

 

 

 

 

The tests have no purpose other than to deceive.

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