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And some shielded cables can make things worse, so says an American company that makes them.

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If you don't believe mains cables work, or won't even try them, that's your loss.

wireworlds cables are unlike other power cables in design. They have been designed to act as a filter, much like a passive mains filter in an extension block. Mains electricity operates at 50/60hz, the wireworld cables have been made to filter out noise in this frequency range. So, although wireworld are unique in their design, there's your scientific explanation. 

PS Interesting that their website declines to say what "scientific principles" make the cables work.

 

It's the audiophile equivalent of boswelox.

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Make sure you upgrade the likely 20 meters of standard 2.5 TPS cable that the electrician put into the walls between your consumer unit and the socket too. That needs to be audiophile quality!

Seriously, do you really think that after the electricity travels all the way through countless wires and connectors of varying quality and age to reach your wall socket, the last 3 feet are going to make any difference?

 

 

 

Only if you have hi fi quality fuse in the plug!

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MattSPL wrote:

If you don't believe mains cables work, or won't even try them, that's your loss.

You spelt that wrong. You meant s.a.v.i.n.g.

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MattSPL wrote:

I have found they make a difference, but some of the so called Hifi mains cables are just spruced up standard cables with a fancy sheath covering them, and better quality plugs. These are not going to make much difference, yet sometimes cost £100. This is one reason why some people think mains cables are voodoo, because they have never tried a specialist, purpose built cable.

Wireworld and Nordost are 2 manufacturers that spring to mind. They both make specialist Hifi mains cables, and these can make a significant improvement to your system, but they can cost a lot.

I personally rate proper Hifi mains cable above speaker cables and interconnects. I gain greater benefits from Mains cables.

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I use the wireworld sliver cable from my mains coniditioner to my amp.. I have tried so many but none IMHO are anywere near as good. It does not kill dynamics, actually increases it. No sign of brightness at all... expensive.. but wireworld mains cables work..

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Native_bon wrote:

MattSPL wrote:

I have found they make a difference, but some of the so called Hifi mains cables are just spruced up standard cables with a fancy sheath covering them, and better quality plugs. These are not going to make much difference, yet sometimes cost £100. This is one reason why some people think mains cables are voodoo, because they have never tried a specialist, purpose built cable.

Wireworld and Nordost are 2 manufacturers that spring to mind. They both make specialist Hifi mains cables, and these can make a significant improvement to your system, but they can cost a lot.

I personally rate proper Hifi mains cable above speaker cables and interconnects. I gain greater benefits from Mains cables.

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I use the wireworld sliver cable from my mains coniditioner to my amp.. I have tried so many but none IMHO are anywere near as good. It does not kill dynamics, actually increases it. No sign of brightness at all... expensive.. but wireworld mains cables work..

 

Looks expensive, 1 m is £377. 

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BigH wrote:

Native_bon wrote:

MattSPL wrote:

I have found they make a difference, but some of the so called Hifi mains cables are just spruced up standard cables with a fancy sheath covering them, and better quality plugs. These are not going to make much difference, yet sometimes cost £100. This is one reason why some people think mains cables are voodoo, because they have never tried a specialist, purpose built cable.

Wireworld and Nordost are 2 manufacturers that spring to mind. They both make specialist Hifi mains cables, and these can make a significant improvement to your system, but they can cost a lot.

I personally rate proper Hifi mains cable above speaker cables and interconnects. I gain greater benefits from Mains cables.

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I use the wireworld sliver cable from my mains coniditioner to my amp.. I have tried so many but none IMHO are anywere near as good. It does not kill dynamics, actually increases it. No sign of brightness at all... expensive.. but wireworld mains cables work..

 

Looks expensive, 1 m is £377. 

yes thats about right. I buy stuff course i want to improve my listening pleasure. Not for the sake of buying good looking cables or boxes.. I dnt do traditon, I do what my ears tell me sounds good. Even with a cables at that high a price it made more sense to me than actually do any other upgrage. The cable was on a 60day trial period no questions asked. Even at that price its a really nice cable & then some.

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ReValveiT wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

MattSPL wrote:

If you don't believe mains cables work, or won't even try them, that's your loss.

wireworlds cables are unlike other power cables in design. They have been designed to act as a filter, much like a passive mains filter in an extension block. Mains electricity operates at 50/60hz, the wireworld cables have been made to filter out noise in this frequency range. So, although wireworld are unique in their design, there's your scientific explanation. 

PS Interesting that their website declines to say what "scientific principles" make the cables work.

Motorcycle "snake oil" salesmen will try and sell you "blinker fluid"...

It's the audiophile equivalent of boswelox.

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pauln wrote:

I generate my own electricity from solar panels. The AC produced has a much cleaner wave form than what you get off the national grid. Don't let anyone tell you that you need to pay ridiculous amounts of money for audiophile solar panels - any type will do the job just fine.

Solar panels are so passe' shame on you

Living only 40 or 50 miles from NASA, we're all already using dilithium crystals.

Now, when the flux capacitor finally arrives, and I can actualy get the De Lorean to start, I can fast forward to 2023 and get the new DAC-XP on Fleabay used for about five bucks.... Cool

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Native_bon wrote:

BigH wrote:

Native_bon wrote:

MattSPL wrote:

I have found they make a difference, but some of the so called Hifi mains cables are just spruced up standard cables with a fancy sheath covering them, and better quality plugs. These are not going to make much difference, yet sometimes cost £100. This is one reason why some people think mains cables are voodoo, because they have never tried a specialist, purpose built cable.

Wireworld and Nordost are 2 manufacturers that spring to mind. They both make specialist Hifi mains cables, and these can make a significant improvement to your system, but they can cost a lot.

I personally rate proper Hifi mains cable above speaker cables and interconnects. I gain greater benefits from Mains cables.

+1

I use the wireworld sliver cable from my mains coniditioner to my amp.. I have tried so many but none IMHO are anywere near as good. It does not kill dynamics, actually increases it. No sign of brightness at all... expensive.. but wireworld mains cables work..

 

Looks expensive, 1 m is £377. 

yes thats about right. I buy stuff course i want to improve my listening pleasure. Not for the sake of buying good looking cables or boxes.. I dnt do traditon, I do what my ears tell me sounds good. Even with a cables at that high a price it made more sense to me than actually do any other upgrage. The cable was on a 60day trial period no questions asked. Even at that price its a really nice cable & then some.

 

So you have only 1 for the amp?

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Anyone searching for an example of expectation bias need look no further than this thread.  

In a past life I designed audio recording equipment for a well known national broadcaster.  At no stage did we entertain any cable tomfoolery, except to specify current carrying capability for mains cables, and basic LCR parameters for signal and speaker leads.

In spite of this, we still managed to build studios which arguably produced some of the best recordings of the 20th century. Just remarkable how we managed to get by without the benefit of modern marketing.....     

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Yes Course I think thats were thier cables make the most improvment in sound.

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hi all ,thought i will  say over the years of  the quest of improving my hifi i have found that mains cables do make a diffrence,over the years i have used, russ andrews mains, clearer audio mains,nordost,mains ,shunyata mains,locus design mains,and the one i use now xlo limted ,which have brought the best out of my system,if they did'nt work why would i bother. im not saying that it works for everybody,but lets not make a decision for someone else,let joshamessenger decide for himself.cheers david

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Native_bon wrote:

Yes Course I think thats were thier cables make the most improvment in sound.

 

Just thought you may have some others on the dvd and dacs. 

 

Have you tried Clearer Audio?

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andyjm wrote:

Anyone searching for an example of expectation bias need look no further than this thread.  

In a past life I designed audio recording equipment for a well known national broadcaster.  At no stage did we entertain any cable tomfoolery, except to specify current carrying capability for mains cables, and basic LCR parameters for signal and speaker leads.

In spite of this, we still managed to build studios which arguably produced some of the best recordings of the 20th century. Just remarkable how we managed to get by without the benefit of modern marketing.....     

Hum... What of ..WIFI.. internet.. sky.. virgin satellite...  not to talk of more equipment in ever house. In one home you may have as much as four laptops or even more phones. The noise in the mains these days will not be the same like the time you mentioned.. I think you need to kind of bear that in mind..

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