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There is no debate about mains cables.....

I agree.

Just to clarify:  This has been a debate about the benefit (or not) of Conditioning, Regeneration and Balanced Mains Transformers, as well as discussing whether a dedicated ring main and attention to Earthing has a beneficial effect.

I thought feeding one's system with unpoluted, stable power was best practice and worth pursuing.

I'm now off (again).  Smile

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A quality amplifier will have enough capacitive filtering to deal with all waveform aberrations present in the UK, even enough to deal with the appalling hash caused by those wretched AM radio destroyers called Homeplugs. Is that what you mean by polluted?

There isn't really any factual or technical debate about conditioners etc. at all.

 

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Why would you worry about last 1 meter of cable and not worry about 100 meters to your socket?   :poke:

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I know one thing for sure, you won't hear a difference if you don't try it.......at least the people involved are reporting their findings and not regurgitating the opinions of someone else.

I base my opinion on what I read (both sides of debate) and back that up with what I personally try.......I do not take an arrogant or dogmatic approach, but suggest that people should always experiment for themselves. 

I'm inclined to put more faith in those who seek to uncover the truth, than those who insist that they've found it. 

I'm now out of this

Cno

While I understand Cno's plight, it goes to illustrate one of the challenges of living in a world where uninformed comment is given the same weight as expert opinion.  There is no debate about mains cables by those who understand the physics behind what is going on, the only debate is created by those who don't understand or those with a financial axe to grind.

I would wager that those who are convinced that their mains cable has made a difference don't understand how a power supply works.  Those that do are rightly very skeptical about the claims made for cables and conditioners.

To be clear, there are circumstances that a mains cable could make a difference, but those are extreme and very unlikely to be found in a normal domestic setup. 

Yep it's that kind of thing that led to the current measles epedemic, unscientific mumbo jumbo promoted by an unscrupulous press.

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I was interested by this thread since I've had a problem with my Graham Slee Novo headphone amplifier since installing homeplugs. There's a really annoying and loud buzzing between tracks especially with lower impedance headphones which I've confirmed as a homeplug problem. Since the homeplugs are necessary I'd settled on selling the amp, but after reading this I thought I'd try the Tacima - for £29 on Amazon I figure I didn't have much to lose. 

It's currently in transit but I'll let you know how it goes - I've got no agenda and it either works on a very real problem or it doesn't. While not a conclusive test, it may give a little insight to others considering it. 

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I was interested by this thread since I've had a problem with my Graham Slee Novo headphone amplifier since installing homeplugs. There's a really annoying and loud buzzing between tracks especially with lower impedance headphones which I've confirmed as a homeplug problem. Since the homeplugs are necessary I'd settled on selling the amp, but after reading this I thought I'd try the Tacima - for £29 on Amazon I figure I didn't have much to lose. 

It's currently in transit but I'll let you know how it goes - I've got no agenda and it either works on a very real problem or it doesn't. While not a conclusive test, it may give a little insight to others considering it. 

It's certainly worth a shot.

I believe Graham Slee have their own forum, where useful advice might be forthcoming (if you haven't already been down that route).

Edit. This might help: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/do-homeplugs-cause-interference-with-hi-fi

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MUSICRAFT wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

I don't worry at all....and as for my imagination...........  twisted

ATM Everything is plugged directly into the wall. 

Hi CnE

Atm i am worried to hear that there is no after market mains product between the mains plugs of your components and the wall :grin:

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

I thought of you when I said that.  :grin:

Hi CnE

Clearly clearer thinking  Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

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Hi CnE

Clearly clearer thinking  Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Clearly!........I never like to be (totally) predictable.  :shifty:

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Yep it's that kind of thing that led to the current measles epedemic, unscientific mumbo jumbo promoted by an unscrupulous press.

Chris

Whoa.  You're comparing the MMR scare with mains cables?

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Covenanter wrote:

Yep it's that kind of thing that led to the current measles epedemic, unscientific mumbo jumbo promoted by an unscrupulous press.

Chris

Whoa.  You're comparing the MMR scare with mains cables?

 

In concept but not necessarily in scale, keep up JD. 

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Covenanter wrote:

Yep it's that kind of thing that led to the current measles epedemic, unscientific mumbo jumbo promoted by an unscrupulous press.

Chris

Whoa.  You're comparing the MMR scare with mains cables?

Is this forum part of said unscrupulous press? If so, do I need vaccinated?  :twisted:

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CnoEvil wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

Yep it's that kind of thing that led to the current measles epedemic, unscientific mumbo jumbo promoted by an unscrupulous press.

Chris

Whoa.  You're comparing the MMR scare with mains cables?

Is this forum part of said unscrupulous press? If so, do I need vaccinated?  :twisted:

 

It would seem some are not susceptible to inoculation. 

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The Tacima mains conditioner doesn't seem to make any difference to the sound of my system.

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BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

Yep it's that kind of thing that led to the current measles epedemic, unscientific mumbo jumbo promoted by an unscrupulous press.

Chris

Whoa.  You're comparing the MMR scare with mains cables?

In concept but not necessarily in scale, keep up JD. 

So who are the unscrupulous press in this case, out of interest?

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BenLaw wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

Yep it's that kind of thing that led to the current measles epedemic, unscientific mumbo jumbo promoted by an unscrupulous press.

Chris

Whoa.  You're comparing the MMR scare with mains cables?

Is this forum part of said unscrupulous press? If so, do I need vaccinated?  :twisted:

It would seem some are not susceptible to inoculation. 

It all depends on if one caught it early in life....having immunity is key.

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