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FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

And I suspect those who want to genuinely "upgrade" from LS50's are going to have to spend about three times the amount to improve on them.

 

Agreed. Wink

Well, not really, the ADM9s are less than twice the price.

 

And the AMDs have a 250W amp. inside them as well as a DAC, so hardly anymore than the LS50s. 

 

Why do you keep advertising on here Frank, thought that was not allowed?

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I think the R300 are a bit better , to my ears anyhow, and they are only a few pounds more. The LS50's are really nice and just a bit better than the R100's. 

I listened to pretty much everything from £600 to £2000 when I upgraded my speakers and to my ears the KEF's were great and for my music tastes they were better than the others. 

 

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chebby wrote:

There must surely be a third group. (Even if it's just me.)

People who acknowledge that AVI make some fine and very competitive products, but wish that was all they were well-known for.

That'll be two of us then!

Three (not that my inclusion will help!). Shame really, the ADMs sound like exactly the sort of speaker I'm interested in but there is no way on dog's green earth I would hand my money over to Ashley James, the attitude on him just stinks, the man doesn't know the meaning of the word professionalism...

Four. This thread is providing much irritainment....

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chebby wrote:

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Poor, deluded souls.

So you don't think AVI's  20+ years of a cracking reputation for quality hi-fi products (with 20+ years of great reviews to match) is enough?

My comment is not aimed at the products but the marketing style. It was tedious when Linn and Naim's most senior personnel were doing the same thing (only without the internet) in the hi-fi press and via their dealers and followers in the 1980s and it is equally tedious now.

There was an infamous phrase coined in the 1980s (by Linn and Naim) that claimed "If you can't hear the difference, it's not worth talking to you".

It carried the same arrogance that is frequently displayed by some of the more extreme proponents of AVI today.

In contrast look at Rega. The company and their products also - like AVI - have a great reputation, but that was achieved without any advertising in the last 40 years.  They have no company web forum and you have to delve quite hard to find the rare interviews that Roy Gandy has given. He has never claimed they make the greatest products or 'dissed' other companies (or their customers).

Of course there are AVI product users who - like yourself Alec - I respect and have found quite informative and influential (and funny) and who don't have an 'agenda'. There are some others who show all the signs of being 'cult' followers. I have never liked cults in hi-fi (as I said earlier, overdosed on that in the bad old days of the Linn/Naim nexus of the 1980s that dominated the UK hi-fi scene to it's detriment I believe).

 

 

 

Do you think there's a KEF cult? I ask as they're recommended in almost every thread, by the main KEF UK dealer, who's basically a walking KEF advertisement, these days, and many others.

 

 

Like I was saying...

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char_lotte wrote:
This thread is providing much irritainment....

Oooh, great word...

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Do you think there's a KEF cult? I ask as they're recommended in almost every thread, by the main KEF UK dealer, who's basically a walking KEF advertisement, these days, and many others.

 

The thing is, he's open about it.  It's stated on his signature.  Unlike...

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the record spot wrote:

Discombobulate wrote:

Do you think there's a KEF cult? I ask as they're recommended in almost every thread, by the main KEF UK dealer, who's basically a walking KEF advertisement, these days, and many others.

 

The thing is, he's open about it.  It's stated on his signature.  Unlike...

 

Hmm, not that open. He did get his brother on recently to start promoting products...

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I have no knowledge of that, but it's hardly new.  The point I am making is pretty much what Chebby did regarding sleekit self-promotion.  And of course, it's hardly unique to hifi as a glance over the Amazon "reader reviews" will highlight nicely.

Personally, I couldn't give a fig over the rather tired "tit for tat" between who did what.  It happens, it'll keep on happening, but it'd be better if it didn't.

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Discombobulate wrote:
Do you think there's a KEF cult? I ask as they're recommended in almost every thread, by the main KEF UK dealer, who's basically a walking KEF advertisement, these days, and many others.

Hmmm, I wonder what other forums you frequent...  Smile

I'll recommend any speaker I think will suit the OP. I've also recommended ATC, ProAc, Monitor Audio, Neat, Spendor, B&W, Acoustic Energy, PMC, Dynaudio, Tannoy, Dali, even bits of Wharfedale and Mission, as well as some used speakers too.

When a speaker has certain unique attributes, it makes it more suitable in some situations than others, and that's another reason I will recommend a speaker. The UniQ design is perfect for close monitoring, and for those who are situated close to their speakers - better than the conventional drive unit layout. This is also why I recommend Tannoy. Their wider than average dispersion suits AV purposes too, which many speakers don't. Sometimes my recommendations are on tonal balance, and you will find posts where I don't recommend KEF at all.

Am I the "main" KEF UK dealer? I'm flattered if you think I am, but there are other KEF outlets that sell much more KEF than we do. Maybe I'm the only one who sees their attributes, and the only one who can be bothered to spend time on forums making people aware of that. I don't have a following, I'm not trying to build a following - do you see several people rushing to back me up? No you don't, because I don't ask anyone to.

I'll continue to recommend what I see is the best options for the question answered.

Oh, and if anyone sees me at the Bristol show, stop me and say hi - you'll know who I am - I'll be wearing a KEF t-shirt, KEF badge, and a KEF cap. I might even wear my KEF man bag too. Anyone who takes a photo of me and posts it up on the forum will win something with KEF written on it.

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Hmm, not that open. He did get his brother on recently to start promoting products...

"My products"?

I think you must have me mixed up with someone else. I don't ask anyone to post anything for me, I can do that myself thanks.

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I did write a post in your defence David (not that you need or want that, I am sure), but the forum ate it.

Yours was better anyway  Smile

 

I would love to see you in your head to toe Kef outfit. If there is a spare Kef man bag, I'm your man  Wink

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Get the pic then (damn, you know what I look like!)  :grin:

(oh, and any forum member who I have asked to say anything on this forum on my behalf or for "my products" can come forward and say so - just to prove a point)

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FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

BenLaw wrote:
Hmm, not that open. He did get his brother on recently to start promoting products...

"My products"?

I think you must have me mixed up with someone else. I don't ask anyone to post anything for me, I can do that myself thanks.

 

Erm, my post doesn't say 'my products'...

 

I perhaps went too far in suggesting you 'got' him to do it, but CaptHowdy was promoting products sold at hifix in breach of forum rules. 

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Ok Mr. Pedantic - 'my products'?

Mr.Howdy - whoever he is - is free to recommend what he wants. People from this forum do come to me for demos, they do listen to stuff, and yes, very occasionally, they do post up about their findings. If they happen to think some of our products are the best they've heard, great! There's a forum member on here who has posted up about M&K for years, and I never knew who he was until about 6 months ago - which brings me to another fact - even though some people do come to me for demos, they don't always make it known who they are.

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FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

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You got round to hearing them then, David?

Nope. I once offered to evaluate a pair, but was turned down. I know a certain someone isn't too keen on products being sent back under DSR's, so evaluating a pair of 40's will never happen.

Odd point you made about folk trying and not liking them, then.

The 40s are, I gather, exempt from DSRs. The others, well, he has no choice far as I can see; regs is regs no?

Chebby, funny is indeed what I was going for.

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