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RE: Kef ls50 or avi adm9rs or other?

Grilles on or off ?  

 

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RE: Kef ls50 or avi adm9rs or other?

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But DACs change.

Erm, and?

All components change and in a lot of cases, unless there is a desire to change there is usually no need. Once you reach the level of good enough or audibly transparent, then change is only for changes sake. I'm sure you'd like people to change components all the time, but then your job depends upon it.

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RE: Kef ls50 or avi adm9rs or other?

Fair dos, but im talking about actives.

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Grilles on or off ?  

 

 

Off, Richard, with grilles on, they have the same coverage across the fascia of both speakers.  Unremarkable to my eyes in both cases.  

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RE: Kef ls50 or avi adm9rs or other?

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Overdose wrote:
Now as far as arguments go, the argy bargy usually begins once the ADMs have been advised and then someone chips in with a snippy comment against the ADMs and the 'blue touch paper' is lit.

I disagree. It all usually starts when those who recommend ADM's compare them (always crossover) and talk (in infamous Ash fashion) negatively about passive speakers. There's never any mention of cabinet or drive units, just 'the crossover".  

I'm sure if passive crossovers are as nasty and hideous as Ash makes out, all passive speakers would sound worse than a Brian May guitar solo. Not the case though, is it.

I think the reason for all these heated discussions in HiFi is due to a general lack of diplomacy on HiFi forums (much like in real life). Put it this way: If I posted a thread looking for suggestions for a great system under $1.5K, am I more likely to get response A or B?

 

Response A: XYZ Active speakers is the BEST option in your price range, you'll have to spend triple that to get anything comparable.

Respone B: XYZ Active speakers is a good option in your price range.

 

You can substitute XYZ active speakers with various brands of planar speakers, passive speakers, tube amps, TT, CDP, DAC, whatever...

 

The problem with response A is that once you make a claim like that, you are bound to create conflict. Anyone who disagrees with that claim will want to jump in and do so, then you need to defend your claim and hence get into an argument about technical specifications, etc. etc. I think it's best to just make suggestions of good options, and let the OP for the thread decide which option is best.

 

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RE: Kef ls50 or avi adm9rs or other?

Ajani wrote:

FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

Overdose wrote:
Now as far as arguments go, the argy bargy usually begins once the ADMs have been advised and then someone chips in with a snippy comment against the ADMs and the 'blue touch paper' is lit.

I disagree. It all usually starts when those who recommend ADM's compare them (always crossover) and talk (in infamous Ash fashion) negatively about passive speakers. There's never any mention of cabinet or drive units, just 'the crossover".  

I'm sure if passive crossovers are as nasty and hideous as Ash makes out, all passive speakers would sound worse than a Brian May guitar solo. Not the case though, is it.

 

I think the reason for all these heated discussions in HiFi is due to a general lack of diplomacy on HiFi forums (much like in real life). Put it this way: If I posted a thread looking for suggestions for a great system under $1.5K, am I more likely to get response A or B?

 

Response A: XYZ Active speakers is the BEST option in your price range, you'll have to spend triple that to get anything comparable.

Respone B: XYZ Active speakers is a good option in your price range.

 

You can substitute XYZ active speakers with various brands of planar speakers, passive speakers, tube amps, TT, CDP, DAC, whatever...

 

The problem with response A is that once you make a claim like that, you are bound to create conflict. Anyone who disagrees with that claim will want to jump in and do so, then you need to defend your claim and hence get into an argument about technical specifications, etc. etc. I think it's best to just make suggestions of good options, and let the OP for the thread decide which option is best.

 

hoora ..... finally

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RE: Kef ls50 or avi adm9rs or other?

RS. I've yet to own or even see a pair of speakers I'd want to keep looking at with grilles off. 

Think they all look messy. 

 

The recent Tannoys are about the least offensive though Smile

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Overdose wrote:
FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:
But DACs change.

Erm, and?

All components change and in a lot of cases, unless there is a desire to change there is usually no need.

Speakers, and in particular amplification, don't really change. The biggest change we've had recently is the move to Class D by some manufacturers, but it's not like its a new era of unreached perfection, even if it is more neutral and more efficient.

 

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Once you reach the level of good enough or audibly transparent, then change is only for changes sake. I'm sure you'd like people to change components all the time, but then your job depends upon it.

I disagree. "Good" is about mid level. Although we all have a different idea of what 'good' is. And there are many degrees of "audibly transparent" - its not a case of something is 100% transparent or it isn't at all.

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FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

Overdose wrote:
FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:
But DACs change.

Erm, and?

All components change and in a lot of cases, unless there is a desire to change there is usually no need.

Speakers, and in particular amplification, don't really change. The biggest change we've had recently is the move to Class D by some manufacturers, but it's not like its a new era of unreached perfection, even if it is more neutral and more efficient.

 

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Once you reach the level of good enough or audibly transparent, then change is only for changes sake. I'm sure you'd like people to change components all the time, but then your job depends upon it.

I disagree. "Good" is about mid level. Although we all have a different idea of what 'good' is. And there are many degrees of "audibly transparent" - its not a case of something is 100% transparent or it isn't at all.

I can't believe that you've just written all that with a straight keyboard.

Audibly transparent means that you can't hear the unwanted artifacts, so if you can't hear them, you needn't worry about them. I'm not really sure what your point is anyway.

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Overdose wrote:

FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

Overdose wrote:
FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:
But DACs change.

Erm, and?

All components change and in a lot of cases, unless there is a desire to change there is usually no need.

Speakers, and in particular amplification, don't really change. The biggest change we've had recently is the move to Class D by some manufacturers, but it's not like its a new era of unreached perfection, even if it is more neutral and more efficient.

 

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Once you reach the level of good enough or audibly transparent, then change is only for changes sake. I'm sure you'd like people to change components all the time, but then your job depends upon it.

I disagree. "Good" is about mid level. Although we all have a different idea of what 'good' is. And there are many degrees of "audibly transparent" - its not a case of something is 100% transparent or it isn't at all.

I can't believe that you've just written all that with a straight keyboard.

Audibly transparent means that you can't hear the unwanted artifacts, so if you can't hear them, you needn't worry about them. I'm not really sure what your point is anyway.

 

I'm reminded of the time when I was a teenager, and in charge of my high schools P.A. system.  The school bought a HiFi stereo system for the music room, and I was there when it was installed.  The two men who bought it all in to the school and set it up, wore white dust coats.  We all thought they were either scientists or audio 'experts' going by the way they were dressed, when in fact they were in reality, merely expert salesmen.   Blum 3

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Accuse all you like. I'll leave the character references to those who actually know me.

Audibly transparent will be down to many things, including cabinet design - if the cabinet isn't up to scratch it will be drawing attnetion to the speaker, hence affecting its ability to sound transparent.

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Audibly transparent will be down to many things, including cabinet design 

Is that the cabinet containiing the electronics?   Blum 3

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I think we may be talking about two different things.

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I currently use a 5.1 setup with five of them, and they're currently driven by a Rotel RMB1575. Since I replaced my dedicated AV speakers about 2 years ago, I've never felt the need to use a sub for music. The LS50's have sufficient bass extension for general full range music listening.

 

David, I would like to add that I have heard L50's with Unison Research. They were amazing.... However with R700 I got more 'FULL BODY' sound (for my tastes at least)....

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The LS50's are more accurate so they're not for everyone Smile

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